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The New Klingons

Do you like the design of these new Klingons? What was your gut reaction?

  • I liked them

    Votes: 127 46.4%
  • I did not like them

    Votes: 147 53.6%

  • Total voters
    274
because standards of beauty of been so rigid throughout human history?
Aren't we almost full circle to the topic of this thread? Gut reaction/attraction. It is what it is, and maybe there's a natural selection subliminal evolution to attraction, but I'm not there with those Klingons, lol.
 
Aren't we almost full circle to the topic of this thread? Gut reaction/attraction. It is what it is, and maybe there's a natural selection subliminal evolution to attraction, but I'm not there with those Klingons, lol.
Are you planning on dating one? lol
 
Future humans will learn to move beyond superficial (and changing) concepts of physical attractiveness. This will lead to more inter-species romances such as human and Gorn, human and Horta, human and Tellarite, human and Tholian, human and Mugato, human and Species 8-4-7-2, etc.

Kor
Hortas and Tholians may simply be more a matter of practicality than of attractiveness. I don't think any human would fancy getting melted down by the extreme temperatures either of those species would emit if they ever got pissed off at them.
 
I would be angry if they DID explain it. There's no need whatsoever.


I love the new look. I can see issues ahead. Many seem to expect the look to be explained or fit into the wider franchise. I don't. Simply because I don't think they care that much.

It's hard not to feel though in the extensive interview Neville Page was very very much looking to 'assign' the redesign away from himself. In a really polite, respectful way. It's really clear as you watch further in that he's not comfortable with the way things turned out.

He does excellent work and is incredibly talented and I think he feels railroaded into certain decisions. Still, the amount of times the guy makes statements about how without production control and directorial input means his creatures look radically different is telling.

Finally, trying various sources and media releases attempting to drop all of this Klingon nonsense at Fuller's door, rightly or wrongly, is a cheap move. It's not a coincidence that this information appeared, along with this interview. Whether necessary or not, (I say not), someone at the production is on damage control. These kinds of 'tid bits' of information about Fuller aren't a coincidence in my opinion. They are press releases with embargos. Which makes me think that the truth is there isn't a lot of confidence in Discovery.

Which is sad considering the stellar cast, insanely good production values, and decent CGI.

I feel the production team have backed themselves into a corner for absolutely no good reason. If Discovery delivers it won't matter one jot. If it doesn't then people will lump the Klingon redesign into the same issue as breaking canon, but saying it doesn't, the fungus issue no one wants to talk about, and the transdimensional rumors.
 
A significant percentage of the fans disagree.
How about the general viewing public who will tune in? Will they be concerned about a good amount of time to divert from the pacing of an episode to explain about the Klingons to the degree that will satisfy that significant percentage of fans?
 
I love the new look. I can see issues ahead. Many seem to expect the look to be explained or fit into the wider franchise. I don't. Simply because I don't think they care that much.

It's hard not to feel though in the extensive interview Neville Page was very very much looking to 'assign' the redesign away from himself. In a really polite, respectful way. It's really clear as you watch further in that he's not comfortable with the way things turned out.

He does excellent work and is incredibly talented and I think he feels railroaded into certain decisions. Still, the amount of times the guy makes statements about how without production control and directorial input means his creatures look radically different is telling.

Finally, trying various sources and media releases attempting to drop all of this Klingon nonsense at Fuller's door, rightly or wrongly, is a cheap move. It's not a coincidence that this information appeared, along with this interview. Whether necessary or not, (I say not), someone at the production is on damage control. These kinds of 'tid bits' of information about Fuller aren't a coincidence in my opinion. They are press releases with embargos. Which makes me think that the truth is there isn't a lot of confidence in Discovery.

Which is sad considering the stellar cast, insanely good production values, and decent CGI.

I feel the production team have backed themselves into a corner for absolutely no good reason. If Discovery delivers it won't matter one jot. If it doesn't then people will lump the Klingon redesign into the same issue as breaking canon, but saying it doesn't, the fungus issue no one wants to talk about, and the transdimensional rumors.

Bolded for emphasis - this is what bothers me. The explanations and comments coming out now don't feel "organic". It's like they thought the new designs would be immediately accepted, and now they're having to scramble to cover it.

I will repeat this until I die: I'm not against changes and new designs - but I take issue with new production teams coming in and making changes "just because". There are places where changes could have been made without creating such a huge schism. The uniforms and bridge designs (along with the Klingons) all could have been designed to look like they fit in 10 years before Kirk and Spock, while still reflecting modern production values. But they weren't.

Whenever something like this is done, it feels like we're expending all the energy that should be going into discussions of things like Michael Burnham's personal journey and what the Klingons are actually up to in this time period (both of which I am still very much looking forward to) instead of why the Klingons look like Krall from Star Trek Beyond.

I am not impressed by a production team coming into an existing franchise and throwing out everything in order to make their own footprint on it. I am impressed by somebody that can come into something, that's over 50 years old, is admittedly showing some signs of age, and finding some new angle or unexplored niche that has a modern relevance and making that their own footprint.
 
How about the general viewing public who will tune in? Will they be concerned about a good amount of time to divert from the pacing of an episode to explain about the Klingons to the degree that will satisfy that significant percentage of fans?
Given how iconic Klingons are, yes they will.
 
Most characters are given a little background, it's part of the set up. It wouldn't be a problem or inhibit the flow of the story to give some context to the Klingons.
 
A significant percentage of the fans disagree.
"A significant percentage?" What's that? Those are weasel words. Let's get factual.

Most ST fans don't even post on this board. Only a tiny fraction do, so the number of posters on this board who express a given opinion on here cannot be used to divine the fraction of fans at large sharing it. The same can be said for a variety of sites.

Based on the available data, all we know on that topic is that some fans disagree.
 
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Based on the "data" from various Star Trek Facebook groups I've joined in. I can say that a significant portion of the fans are unhappy with the way these Klingons look.

And the main complaint seems to be the lack of any hair on their heads.
 
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