The New Klingons

[Prax]

I used to think that canon had some value in ST. Now I know it is just what appears on screen UNLESS and UNTIL it gets overidden by a newer version of something shown in screen. I just find it funny that it is always the newer version that supplants the older and not vice versa?
"For everything (turn turn turn) there is a season (turn turn turn)".

You are not canon either.

 

[C57D]

You are not canon either.

No I'm not ST on screen so I can't ever BE canon.
Nor can you though Prax.
Canon is just the blunt hammer used to smash any imaginative discussions on this forum, and one of the reasons why I often think of leaving it and using my time more profitably!

 

[Prax]

I am not canon

 

[fireproof78]

Canon isn't immutable in the sense that it is often tossed about either.

 

[Prax]

If these are the Klingons going forward, it seems that they have recessive genes where the skull shape is concerned. Because none of the mixed-race characters we've seen have had the elongated skull.

It was a klingon skull that Indiana Jones found down in South America, centuries before contact with Klingins...incredible!

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I am canon, therefore I am

 

[fireproof78]

It was a klingon skull that Indiana Jones found down in South America, centuries before contact with Klingins...incredible!

Just now figuring this out?

 

[Prax]

Connecting dots has always been my challenge..

 

[137th Gebirg]

Did someone say...

 

[Prax]

Did someone say...

How dare you blaspheme our sacred words with your silly jokes!

You will be decanonized!

 

[137th Gebirg]

 

[RAMA]

C) Don't care what they look like.

I don't like Klingons, in most episodes they're portrayed as highly primitive and overly aggressive. They don't strike me as a realistic species.

That's one thing they are changing in the new show.

I'm not looking for any kind of augmentation explanation -- either appearance-wise or behavior-wise.

First of all, I never had an issue with the look of the Klingons magically changing between TOS and TMP without explanation; that was fine with me. In fact, I thought it was pretty cool that they changed the entire look without explanation. I suppose back then, we were much less worried about changes like that.

Secondly, I would rather them do things to give a greater understanding to the Klingon behavior as we know it from TOS/TNG/etc. I don't need them to give me a reason that their behavior was once different, then "changed", but rather give as a deeper look at Klingons that fits in well with what we already know.

They never needed an explanation, as the DSC imagining doesn't. Roddenberry was vehement that the new production budget manifesting itself on screen didn't need it. He said that hopefully, everyone will think they always looked that way.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

He said that hopefully, everyone will think they always looked that way.

Funny how little he really knew Star Trek fans.

 

[cultcross]

I do wonder how fans who can't accept changes to Klingons without a canon explanation, or declare a new continuity based on that, coped in the wilderness of uncertainty between TMP and ENT season 4. The changes to the Klingons 'just happened' right the way up until ENT (perhaps unwisely) decided to wade in. Was all of Trek with bumpy Klingons non-canon until that point?

 

[Ridcully]

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[Ovation]

I do wonder how fans who can't accept changes to Klingons without a canon explanation, or declare a new continuity based on that, coped in the wilderness of uncertainty between TMP and ENT season 4. The changes to the Klingons 'just happened' right the way up until ENT (perhaps unwisely) decided to wade in. Was all of Trek with bumpy Klingons non-canon until that point?

Probably weren't very many but I'm sure some people held that view.

 

[fireproof78]

Funny how little he really knew Star Trek fans.

That's great

 

[Kor]

Even at the time, officially licensed Trek products (novels, gaming materials) took the liberty of offering wacky explanations for the difference in Klingon appearance. Before our current understanding of "cannnnnnnnon," those would have been accepted as the officially sanctioned story.

I think that in broad terms, ENT's depiction of incorporating human DNA actually wasn't too far off from the old notion of Klingon-human fusion.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

Even at the time, officially licensed Trek products (novels, gaming materials) took the liberty of offering wacky explanations for the difference in Klingon appearance. Before our current understanding of "cannnnnnnnon," those would have been accepted as the officially sanctioned story.

Kor

I cannot accept this.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

The changes to the Klingons 'just happened' right the way up until ENT (perhaps unwisely) decided to wade in. Was all of Trek with bumpy Klingons non-canon until that point?

Similar to the fact that ENT really didn't need to address the Klingon's change in look, and were just opening up an unnecessary can of worms by doing so, I think of the "Kool-aid Man" (bear with me here)...

One day around 1995, the brain-trust involved with Kool-aid advertising decided to change the look of the Kool-aid man by giving him trousers ("pants" to us Americans). Prior to the mid-1990s, the character was drawn as just a glass pitcher with a face on a pitcher supported by legs (and no pants).

The apparent "need" to give him pants then begs the question: Does that mean that in all the advertising prior to that, the Kool-aid Man was exposing himself? Was it wrong for him not to be wearing pants/trousers all along?

By ENT attempting to explain the bumpy-headness of Klingons, does that mean that fans between TMP and ENT should have been all confused and "up-in-arms" over the mysterious bumpy headed aliens that the producers/writers were trying to pass off to us as "Klingons"?

By the way, the newest iteration of Kool-aid Man is once again pants-less. Naughty boy.