Trailer #2 - Consolidated Discussion

[cultcross]

But I'm worried about the "cheapy fan film" look to this.

If there's one thing this show doesn't look, it's cheap. Whether you like the designs and style is of course a personal thing, but it can't with any honesty be called cheap looking. No Trek series to date has had production values of this level.

That delta in the sand in the trailer... that's Burnham and Georgiou's path "getting lost" walking through the desert, so Georgiou can give her the talk about getting a command of her own, isn't it?

#boom

Of course it is. How stupid of me.

 

[MarsWeeps]

- It doesn't do anything to canon as in the TOS episode "Journey To Babel" Amanda mentions that Spock and Sarek haven't spoken to each other in 18 years; so hell, that even predates events in the first TOS pilot "The Cage" - so Spock not knowing (and thus never mentioning it at any point in TOS) isn't any sort of stretch at all.

Spock may not have spoken to his father in 18 years but he surely spoke to his mother during that time. Why would she not have mentioned it? Sarek forbid it?

 

[jamestyler]

But I'm worried about the "cheapy fan film" look to this.

Either thats ridiculous hyperbole, or you're watching some pretty well funded fan films.

 

[Thefallguy]

Spock may not have spoken to his father in 18 years but he surely spoke to his mother during that time. Why would she not have mentioned it? Sarek forbid it?

Oh, she mentioned her. I'd say, he raised an eyebrow and continued with the next topic.

 

[tenmei]

Spock may not have spoken to his father in 18 years but he surely spoke to his mother during that time. Why would she not have mentioned it? Sarek forbid it?

Except if Discovery is set ten years prior to TOS (without the debate about it being ten years prior to The Cage) and Burnham has been serving with Georgiou for seven years, then adding in four years for the Academy and Spock would still have been in contact with his father at the time that she was adopted into the family.

 

[Noname Given]

Spock may not have spoken to his father in 18 years but he surely spoke to his mother during that time. Why would she not have mentioned it? Sarek forbid it?

She may have, but again, WHY would Spock have ever mentioned it to anyone on the TOS Enterprise? Again, he didn't even tell Kirk that Sarek and Amanda were his parents in "Journey to Babel" UNTIL Kirk offered him a "few hours to beam down and visit his parents"; to which Spock replied: "Ambassador Sarek and his wife ARE my parents."

So yeah, i'm NOT seeing a problem here. Hell, Spock was originally willing to DIE rather than tell Kirk about the Vulcan Pon Farr in TOS - "Amok Time". Spock has been shown consistently as having never been one to just blurt out personal details UNLESS there's a logical reason.

 

[Michael]

Looking at all the comments about the series so far, I can only say I don't want to be in the producers' shoes, because you just can't make Trekkies happy. The bridge is either too dark or too bright (in case of the Kelvinverse Enterprise bridge), there's either too much “pew-pew action” in the trailer or too much “philosophical nonsense dialog” and it either should be more like the TOS era or it should have less ties to TOS characters.

So what's it now?

 

[Noname Given]

Looking at all the comments about the series so far, I can only say I don't want to be in the producers' shoes, because you just can't make Trekkies happy. The bridge is either too dark or too bright (in case of the Kelvinverse Enterprise bridge), there's either too much “pew-pew action” in the trailer or too much “philosophical nonsense dialog” and it either should be more like the TOS era or it should have less ties to TOS characters.

So what's it now?

^^^^
Well, to be fair it's been the way of Star Trek fandom since 1973 when Star Trek: The Animated Series hit the Saturday morning airwaves. There hasn't been a 'new' take on Star Trek (including the films) that hasn't been derided and declared apocryphal at its start.

 

[Michael]

^^^^
Well, to be fair it's been the way of Star Trek fandom since 1973 when Star Trek: The Animated Series hit the Saturday morning airwaves. There hasn't been a 'new' take on Star Trek (including the films) that hasn't been derided and declared apocryphal at its start.

Yeah, I know. It's just so weird and eye-opening to experience it in realtime, I guess.

 

[Psion]

And another thing: Is it now established that the event from Trek's past that Fuller alluded to, that would play a central part in the series, is the Four Years war with the Klingons?

An odd coincidence that it's the same subject Alec Peters went after, wouldn't you say?

 

[Michael]

An odd coincidence that it's the same subject Alec Peters went after, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, it's almost like they are working from the same 80-odd episodes of source material.

 

[Spot261]

Yeah, it's almost like they are working from the same 80-odd episodes of source material.

You'd think they'd come up with something new

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Spock also omitted any mention of a half-brother as well. He wasn't exactly forthcoming with personal stuff.

 

[Noname Given]

An odd coincidence that it's the same subject Alec Peters went after, wouldn't you say?

What? You mean the idea Alec Peters lifted out of a Sourcebook from FASA's (now defunct because they lost the license in 1987 when they tried to do a TNG sourcebook for it without a license) Star Trek Role-Playing Game of the mid 1980ies?

Who knows, perhaps if Alec Peters had DONE and finished his Axanar project in 2014 (long before ST: D was even an idea) - like his group wanted to right after Prelude to Axanar - and not spent 2+ years profiting and trying to build his own for profit studio business for the next two years (oh, also claimin g his wasn't a fan film but an independent Star Trek feature film - all without a license; and starting to intimate CBS didn't actually HAVE the rights to the IP itself) - he might have been able to make his film, if that EVER WAS his intention. Nowadays it seems he just wants to make a liviong from his constant Indegogo's and Kickstarters promising the two 15 minute segments (which i9s what he settled with CBS/Paramount for - after a year of claiming he'd NEVER settle, and take the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme court.)

But I digress. Either way if it is a version of the Four Years War (again first mentioned in a FASA RPG Sourcebook 30+ years ago, it would be interesting.

 

[Psion]

Yeah, it's almost like they are working from the same 80-odd episodes of source material.

Why is that funny? Most of those episodes had different subjects and only a handful dealt with the Klingons. It's still a curious coincidence that the first fan project CBS/Paramount went after was dealing with the very same subject their new series would cover.

 

[cultcross]

Looking at all the comments about the series so far, I can only say I don't want to be in the producers' shoes, because you just can't make Trekkies happy. The bridge is either too dark or too bright (in case of the Kelvinverse Enterprise bridge), there's either too much “pew-pew action” in the trailer or too much “philosophical nonsense dialog” and it either should be more like the TOS era or it should have less ties to TOS characters.

So what's it now?

Making a new Star Trek production is the Kobayashi Maru, you cannot win. Best to make the best thing you can and put it out there. Which it seems they're doing, which is awesome.

 

[Psion]

What? You mean the idea Alec Peters lifted out of a Sourcebook from FASA's (now defunct because they lost the license in 1987 when they tried to do a TNG sourcebook for it without a license) Star Trek Role-Playing Game of the mid 1980ies?

Who knows, perhaps if Alec Peters had DONE and finished his Axanar project in 2014 (long before ST: D was even an idea) - like his group wanted to right after Prelude to Axanar - and not spent 2+ years profiting and trying to build his own for profit studio business for the next two years (oh, also claimin g his wasn't a fan film but an independent Star Trek feature film - all without a license; and starting to intimate CBS didn't actually HAVE the rights to the IP itself) - he might have been able to make his film, if that EVER WAS his intention. Nowadays it seems he just wants to make a liviong from his constant Indegogo's and Kickstarters promising the two 15 minute segments (which i9s what he settled with CBS/Paramount for - after a year of claiming he'd NEVER settle, and take the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme court.)

But I digress. Either way if it is a version of the Four Years War (again first mentioned in a FASA RPG Sourcebook 30+ years ago, it would be interesting.

Yep, there's no question Peters deserved the spanking he got. And he caused a huge overreaction from CBS/Paramount that hurt the other fan productions.

 

[fireproof78]

Looking at all the comments about the series so far, I can only say I don't want to be in the producers' shoes, because you just can't make Trekkies happy. The bridge is either too dark or too bright (in case of the Kelvinverse Enterprise bridge), there's either too much “pew-pew action” in the trailer or too much “philosophical nonsense dialog” and it either should be more like the TOS era or it should have less ties to TOS characters.

So what's it now?

Just be glad that sending letters is no longer a thing, because it might just crush a poor producer's desk.

 

[dahj]

Just be glad that sending letters is no longer a thing, because it might just crush a poor producer's desk.

Would get them through the winter though.
So much kindling...

 

[Jayson1]

I don't think it looks cheap but at the same time I can see why some might see it basically on the level of "Battlestar Galtica" or "Stargate Universe." I think that is more of complement to modern tv than a knock on something that looks cheap. I would even say the Arrowverse shows have moments where they look top notch except with the sets. Those still look kind of 90's.

Jason