Problem is that destroying the E-D in Generations is a bit between-two-stools: TNG TV fans get to see the ship they love on the big screen, and then lose it, while people who've only seen the films have to get used to a new Enterprise (two actually) only to see it destroyed just as they're getting attached to it.
Why didn't Berman and Braga think that Ent-D looked good on the big screen?
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That's what I always liked about the sovereign, and I think in the main it worked. I just hated the interior of it compared to the D.
I don't mind the Sovereign as, while familiar, is quite a departure from standard Trek designs--while still having a saucer and nacelles, it utilizes a lot of straight edges and angles as surface decoration that we hadn't seen before, in the same way Aztecing was revolutionary for the TMP Refit.
However, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't like the Sovereign [as the Enterprise, just like I love the NX-2000, but I absolutely hate the 1701-B.
However, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't like the Sovereign [as the Enterprise, just like I love the NX-2000, but I absolutely hate the 1701-B.
Why do you dislike the 1701-B? I thought it was a kind of neat payoff to the TOS movies were the Exselsior class was sort of propped up as the next big thing that was going to replace the Enterprise? Granted I think it might have been more cool if they had used the Enterprise A in "Generations" but what they did use seemed okay.
Jason
I hated those protrusions on the secondary hull. The designers said they did that so they didn't permanently damage the Excelsior model, but the problem with that thinking is that the protrusions they added were permanently attached.
I don't know. I didn't mind the idea of the Enterprise-B being an Excelsior-Class ship the way some of my friends did, but I disliked the final execution. I haven't paid enough attention to TUC to know if I like Sulu's Excelsior. That's my second least-favorite movie of I-VI.
I don't know. I didn't mind the idea of the Enterprise-B being an Excelsior-Class ship the way some of my friends did, but I disliked the final execution. I haven't paid enough attention to TUC to know if I like Sulu's Excelsior. That's my second least-favorite movie of I-VI.
Still don't understand why some fans still think the E-E is a warship. There are only some fan-sources that claim this, nothing canon.
As for the E-D being destroyed.... I seem to recall that making the model look good on the big screen was incredibly difficult, since it was designed for the small screen, and detailing wasn't good enough to stand out on the big screen. Same for the sets. The bridge-set was partly rebuild to look better on the big screen, but some sets are obviously quite cheap looking. So yeah, that's my understanding as to the 'why the E-D was destroyed'.
Now, ofcourse they could have made new Galaxy class sets and newer model or better CGI model for the other movies, but I understand the creative decision to make everything new to seperate the movies from the show a bit.
As for the E-D being destroyed.... I seem to recall that making the model look good on the big screen was incredibly difficult, since it was designed for the small screen, and detailing wasn't good enough to stand out on the big screen. Same for the sets. The bridge-set was partly rebuild to look better on the big screen, but some sets are obviously quite cheap looking. So yeah, that's my understanding as to the 'why the E-D was destroyed'.
Now, ofcourse they could have made new Galaxy class sets and newer model or better CGI model for the other movies, but I understand the creative decision to make everything new to seperate the movies from the show a bit.
The E-D model makers agreed with you:
Memory Alpha" said:
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_class_model
The Ent-D looked really detailed on the big screen to me, and the interior sets never looked cheaped to me on the big screen either.
But having said that, since they had a bigger budget for Generations than they did for TNG, I wish they had built a set for the main shuttlebay (in the saucer section) so we could have finally seen what it looked like from the inside.
Something I never understood was why they wasted so much money on stellar catogrophy set which was going to be in just one scene. You would think you might better use that money to build a brand new bridge from scratch or even make more upgrades to existing sets.
Jason
Jason
Because Starfleet is clearly a military
A full-size set would've been prohibitively huge; they would've had to build just a partial set and do the rest as a matte effect.
It was a long, important scene. Plenty of sets in movies are only meant for one or two scenes. They're ephemeral things, used for a few days or weeks and then destroyed. The only reason the ST:TMP starship sets were able to be used permanently throughout the movies, TNG, and VGR is because they were originally built for the Phase II revival TV series, and thus were built strong and sturdy for long-term use, rather than being flimsy and temporary like film sets.
And really, the actual set in stellar cartography was basically just that little disk-shaped platform, the door, the ceiling, and a bunch of bluescreens. So it was actually a pretty small, simple set. Most of the expense of that scene probably went to animating and compositing in the star maps in post-production.
I would've been fine with a matte effect.
They probably didn't do the shuttlebay for the same reason they didn't do the low-gravity gymnasium. Because it had no bearing whatsoever to the story.
I hope so. Frankly, I thought it a lackluster set. It would have been more impressive as a full sphere. Or they might have have been better off making the whole thing blue screen except for the plank they were standing on.
If done well. I saw a version of the main shuttle bay part of and E-D walk-through program or something and was underwhelmed. It' look like something out of a contemporary air-craft carrier or something. I'd love to see something both huge and futuristic.
I always liked a new ship for the TOS and TNG movies... it felt cinematic to me...!!! 
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