Was the Federation their enemy? I don't think they thought that way. In Dreadnought B'Elanna programmed it to warn off federation ships. If they considered them enemies would she have done that?
Biggest problem with "Voyager" is that they didn't really take any chances.
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Not always, is my larger point. "The Ship" on DS9 being a great example, as well as the crew from the Equinox, who should be equally trained Starfleet crewmembers under similar circumstances.
The Equinox did not have similar circumstances though. Yes they were hurled into the DQ but after that they had a completely different experience. They faced much more hardship, lost a greater proportion of their crew, had a smaller ship with less resources
What would you describe their relationship as if they are described as "outlaws" and want more independence from the Federation? I mean, it could have been a more collectivist idea of the Federation vs. the independent attitude of the Maquis.
So, Starfleet officers will crack under pressure? That's my only point.
I disagree. I don't think it's as realistic, especially in initial reaction to the situation, i.e. the first few episodes.
Sorry, but unless they have anti-cortisol shots, there is going to be some stress response.
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You keep flipping back and forth. First it's "There should've been some conflict" then "There should've been more conflict." It's really hard to have to keep responding with saying that there is conflict. So why don't you describe what you think is realistic, and then we can determine whether or not the story would have benefitted.
Captain Ransom basically says everything was hunky dory(in the SF regs department) until he lost like 3/4 of his crew in some terrible encounter. It was at that low point that they were taken in by some friendly aliens and entirely by accident, found out a miracle to get the surviving crew home. And the Equinox' crew wasn't at each other's throats. In fact, the blonde girl thought what they did was horrible but she went right along with it because that's what often happens in that type of structure.
Captain Ransom basically says everything was hunky dory(in the SF regs department) until he lost like 3/4 of his crew in some terrible encounter. It was at that low point that they were taken in by some friendly aliens and entirely by accident, found out a miracle to get the surviving crew home. And the Equinox' crew wasn't at each other's throats. In fact, the blonde girl thought what they did was horrible but she went right along with it because that's what often happens in that type of structure.
The conflict was inconsistent.
I'm always amused that the idea of conflict is "at each other's throats" with prison style rules, shankings and constant threat of mutiny. Pretty sure I established that's not what I wanted. I'm rewatching VOY now, and the general feeling I have is there isn't stress on the crew unless the plot demands it. So, it's inconsistent. The pilot is great for set up, but the application is inconsistent.
Sorry if I've been inconsistent on my explanations.
I'm always amused that the idea of conflict is "at each other's throats" with prison style rules, shankings and constant threat of mutiny. Pretty sure I established that's not what I wanted. I'm rewatching VOY now, and the general feeling I have is there isn't stress on the crew unless the plot demands it. So, it's inconsistent. The pilot is great for set up, but the application is inconsistent.
Sorry if I've been inconsistent on my explanations.
How would we react if we we're a member of the Maquis who found ourselves in VOY situation suddenly press-gnaged into Starfleet (albeit out of neccessity) would we really think all of the time this is great?
But where the show really falls down is selling us that these people might never see home again. How would you react if there wasa very strong chance you would never see your home again,;loved ones etc..
But where the show really falls down is selling us that these people might never see home again. How would you react if there wasa very strong chance you would never see your home again,;loved ones etc..
I was thinking along similar lines, because it is a great question. Is there an honest belief that all the Maquis were satisfied with it, and would not have an emotional breakdown? More so than just poor performance, or the occasional back talk to a superior-I've done that to a manager, and received that as a manger. Certainly a retail store is not the same as being torn away from my home and family.
Perhaps there is a hypospray for all the mental illness now.
I don't see why some seem to think the Maquis wouldn't think of the Federation as the enemy. They basically handed over their homes to the Cardissians so I think most of them would dislike the Federation a great deal.
I think of that speech that Sisko gave to Kira in "The Maquis" 2 parter about Earth being the problem and how it's easy to be a saint in paradise. The maquis might have been Federation citizens but that doesn't mean everyone in the federation or going to be great and noble people.
Jason
I think of that speech that Sisko gave to Kira in "The Maquis" 2 parter about Earth being the problem and how it's easy to be a saint in paradise. The maquis might have been Federation citizens but that doesn't mean everyone in the federation or going to be great and noble people.
Jason
Case to point: Every Tellarite ever depicted on screen. Star Trek likes to give every species a 'hat', and apparently 'belligerent arsehole' was theirs.
Good thing they're not founding members or anything.
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That's true but I do think we see a little more range with series regulars and important guest characters. Biggest problem I have is that someone like Barclay or Nog is seen more as a anomoly instead of just a regular person who happens to be a little different from everyone else.
Jason
