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The Water supply turned into jelly? Finally, something that makes the Super Friends seem serious.
Just you wait...the most memorable Batman/Joker moment in the series is yet to come next season. Hint: Swimming trunks. :evil:

...and playing hot and heavy with Leslie Gore. Apparently, Burt Ward was very turned on by Miss Gore during the production of this episode.
Given that by her own account, Lesley had known her sexual orientation since she was 20...the same year of her life that this episode was produced...I have to assume that the feeling wasn't mutual.

The first music box tune--ABC library music composed by Robert Farnum; its almost forgotten as it was short lived in favor of series composer Robert Colbert's replacement theme.
Didn't know that. Not sure if they've already switched it at the point where I am or not.

Well, in light of the recent attacks around Collinsport, being safe at home once the sun goes down could be the way the ladies took his advice.
If only Willie had been composed enough to phrase it that way. No, it was always "You gotta get outta heah--NOW!!!"

Not plot. Long before the Barnabas story, the Old House was already haunted by dead, former occupants--including Josette, so to the regular DS viewer, they knew the house was not at all limited to three people.
Yeah, I recall that gets brought to the fore again within this block of episodes, when the little girl starts showing up...the ghost of Barnabas's little sister, IIRC.

The plot thickens, and now David is climbing up the "Barnaabas Enemies" chart.
Pity if that's the case...Barnabas's gentle way of handling David is about the only thing that makes David's scenes tolerable. :p

Its not about Burke as a character, since Anthony George replaced Ryan (alcoholism) as Devlin. George went on to take the role of Barnabas' uncle-turned rival of Josette, Jeremiah Collins, keeping the "enemy with the same face" theme going in two time periods.
I don't remember that...was it an immediate between-episodes replacement, or does the character go away for a while and come back as a new actor?

ETA: Looked it up and answered my own question...looks like the character just took a few weeks off before popping back up with a very similar-looking actor. Given my past difficulty telling Burke and Joe apart, I probably didn't even notice in prior casual viewing of scattered episodes.
 
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Hmm... @Christopher , can you verify this? Whether or not it was specifically from falling, I could have sworn that the show had already gone to the "Catwoman Death Fake-Out" route a couple of times by this point.

No, pretty much just the two times, "Better Luck Next Time" and "Scat, Darn Catwoman." In her second TV appearance, she almost fell, but Batman and Robin caught her. Every other time, including the movie, she was just arrested at the end.
 
Huh...I must have previously been anticipating this occasion, then.
 
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Columbo: "Murder with Too Many Notes" has an onscreen copyright date of 1999, a year after "Ashes to Ashes." However, the movie's US premiere was delayed; it actually had its original release in France in May 2000, and didn't show up on US television until March 2001. I've always assumed ABC put off its release for so long because it's just so bad.

And it's a surprise that it is bad. It brings back Patrick McGoohan as director for the second time in a row, after the excellent "Ashes." Peter Falk wanted him to play the killer for the second time in a row as well, but McGoohan declined and Billy Connolly was cast in his place. Connolly plays movie composer Finlay Crawford, an aging composer who for the past few years has been passing off his apprentice's work as his own, and who kills the apprentice when he threatens to come clean. The apprentice is given a contrived habit of conducting on the roof while standing on a freight elevator's doors, to give Crawford a convenient way to stage his "accidental" death while Crawford is conducting in a concert right below (the elevator's lift time supposedly gives him nearly 2 minutes to get back to the stage and start conducting, but the timing of the actual murder sequence takes rather longer). There's an inaccuracy rather early on -- the apprentice shows his talent by suggesting a change in the spotting (where to use music and when to use silence) and the director is pleasantly surprised when it's shown to him. In real life, the director usually makes the spotting decisions in collaboration with the composer.

The movie's rather slow-paced -- Columbo has only had his first meeting with Crawford by the midway point, and much of what follows is trying to be quirky and establish a playful relationship between Columbo and Crawford, but it just comes off as padding and is generally trying too hard, as well as making some clumsy selections of public-domain music. And it's never clear why Columbo suspects Crawford in the first place. There are a couple of decent clues, like the victim not crying out when he fell tipping off Columbo that he was already unconscious or dead, but the dialogue between Columbo and his assistant (Richard Riehle, returning from "Ashes") harps on that point too heavily. And the explanation for how the freight elevator got there in the first place is so convoluted and illogical that it's obvious the whole thing is just in service to creating an overly complicated murder technique for the story.

And just as it's never clear why Crawford was a suspect, it's deeply unclear why he's arrested. Columbo's established that he has a motive, but he doesn't have any evidence to clearly implicate Crawford in the victim's drugging, the use of the elevator, or anything else. The final clue Columbo reveals just before ordering Crawford taken away has baffled me for 16 years, because I never understood what it was supposed to reveal that warranted Crawford's arrest. I finally just figured out that it does prove one thing: That the baton Columbo found in the elevator shaft was a gift from the victim's girlfriend, because the musical notes inscribed on its handle match the ones on a love note in his pocket. But he'd already established that several acts earlier just by showing her the baton and asking her! And all it proved was that he'd had the baton when the doors opened and pushed him off. It has nothing to do with Crawford. So why is it presented as the final nail in Crawford's coffin, the big finish of the case against him? It makes no sense. I can think of clues that would've been more damning -- like finding the victim's blood in Crawford's bungalow's carpet where he cut himself on the glass he'd been drugged with. But that never comes up. It's pretty much incoherent.

The ending didn't bother me so much on tonight's viewing, since I knew what to expect, but the first time around back in '01, I was outraged at how nonsensical the ending was, like some big chunk of exposition had been left out. This was the first Columbo movie in two and a half years, the longest gap since the series's return -- and there was every reason to suspect it would be the last one ever, especially considering how poorly it turned out. Oh, Billy Connolly was fun, of course -- I love that magnificent, lyrical brogue of his -- and there were some amusing moments, but it's mostly a sloppy, self-indulgent mess, and a deep, deep letdown for Patrick McGoohan's directorial swan song. The fear that Columbo as a whole might go out on this sour note -- pun intended -- was very upsetting at the time.

Luckily, though, this was not the lieutenant's final outing after all. Still one more to go...
 
Kung Fu: The Reviews Continue

"The Praying Mantis Kills"
Originally aired March 22, 1973
Wiki said:
Murderous thugs come looking for Caine after he identifies them as perpetrators of a bank robbery. A youth's ideas of what it means to be a man are challenged by Caine's quiet heroics.

This is the first time they use the shortened opening without the flashback footage...and it's almost halfway into the episode before we get a flashback in-story.

William Schallert was nearly unrecognizable here...I saw his name in the credits but had a hard time figuring out which character was him until he got some good screen time.

This one does a better job exploring what might be seen as cowardice than the Pat Hingle episode did with fear. Here the philosophy feels like a natural outgrowth of the story developments rather than the story poetically treading water. Of course, Caine gets the opportunity to show his stuff in the climax.

On the issue of footwear continuity: KC is still carrying shoes around on his pack.


"Alethea"
Originally aired March 15, 1973
Wiki said:
Jodie Foster guest-stars as a young girl Caine befriends, whose eyewitness testimony leads to the priest being tried for murder...and sentenced to death by hanging.

They're definitely not soft-pedaling on the racism, with people not wanting to drink from the same dipper as Caine. But I have to wonder if Caine would have even had as much legal recourse as they gave him in this story.

In the flashbacks, Young Caine fails a test that would have gotten him kicked out by Master Kan...good thing Po was minding the store. I was surprised that it wasn't revealed that the robbery attempt had been a set-up on the part of the magician, though. And I'm not sure I agree with Po's assessment of the situation, that telling a lie caused Grasshopper to lose his innocence...when the lie was being told by a naive youth who was trying to protect someone who was still playing him.


"Chains"
Originally aired March 8, 1973
Wiki said:
Imprisoned in an army outpost, Caine escapes – chained to his hulking, mountain-man cellmate...and pursued by a relentless sergeant determined to recapture them both.

Not only is the abbreviated opening used here, but the music sounds different as well.

This one made me realize that one interesting bit of variation in the show's Fugitive premise is that in addition to Caine's own reputation preceding him via the wanted poster, Caine's brother's reputation also tends to come into play.

This was definitely a meaty situation to put Caine into. Michael Greene does good work as Caine's unlikely traveling companion. And it's interesting that Caine initiates the jailbreak.

Keith Carradine is back in his only non-pilot footage as Middle Caine, but freakily they seem to have dubbed in David's voice--No wonder they never did it again.

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Just you wait...the most memorable Batman/Joker moment in the series is yet to come next season. Hint: Swimming trunks. :evil:

You think that's bad? Wait until we make the return trip to the "Nora Clavicle and the Ladies' Crime Club" episode. Almost more bad in that 26 minute episode than the worst of ABC's 1968 line-up combined.

Given that by her own account, Lesley had known her sexual orientation since she was 20...the same year of her life that this episode was produced...I have to assume that the feeling wasn't mutual.

Some accounts say Gore thought Ward was attractive, but that was never going to go in the romance direction.

Didn't know that. Not sure if they've already switched it at the point where I am or not.

If you're in this early Barnabas period, they're still using the Robert Farnum piece.


If only Willie had been composed enough to phrase it that way. No, it was always "You gotta get outta heah--NOW!!!"

:lol: Aww! Good 'ol John Karlen is from Brooklyn! His accent lent authenticity to Willie!


Yeah, I recall that gets brought to the fore again within this block of episodes, when the little girl starts showing up...the ghost of Barnabas's little sister, IIRC.

Yep...Sarah Collins. Her story will gain a new dimension once the series moves to 1795...

Pity if that's the case...Barnabas's gentle way of handling David is about the only thing that makes David's scenes tolerable. :p

Yeah, but David's undying curiosity places him in the same threat box as Woodard, Jason, and eventually early Julia Hoffman.

I don't remember that...was it an immediate between-episodes replacement, or does the character go away for a while and come back as a new actor?

ETA: Looked it up and answered my own question...looks like the character just took a few weeks off before popping back up with a very similar-looking actor. Given my past difficulty telling Burke and Joe apart, I probably didn't even notice in prior casual viewing of scattered episodes.

I thought Anthony George looked more like one of Gerry & Sylvia Anderson's Thunderbirds...

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Columbo: "Murder with Too Many Notes" has an onscreen copyright date of 1999, a year after "Ashes to Ashes." However, the movie's US premiere was delayed; it actually had its original release in France in May 2000, and didn't show up on US television until March 2001. I've always assumed ABC put off its release for so long because it's just so bad.

And it's a surprise that it is bad. It brings back Patrick McGoohan as director for the second time in a row, after the excellent "Ashes." Peter Falk wanted him to play the killer for the second time in a row as well, but McGoohan declined and Billy Connolly was cast in his place. Connolly plays movie composer Finlay Crawford, an aging composer who for the past few years has been passing off his apprentice's work as his own, and who kills the apprentice when he threatens to come clean. The apprentice is given a contrived habit of conducting on the roof while standing on a freight elevator's doors, to give Crawford a convenient way to stage his "accidental" death while Crawford is conducting in a concert right below (the elevator's lift time supposedly gives him nearly 2 minutes to get back to the stage and start conducting, but the timing of the actual murder sequence takes rather longer). There's an inaccuracy rather early on -- the apprentice shows his talent by suggesting a change in the spotting (where to use music and when to use silence) and the director is pleasantly surprised when it's shown to him. In real life, the director usually makes the spotting decisions in collaboration with the composer.

The movie's rather slow-paced -- Columbo has only had his first meeting with Crawford by the midway point, and much of what follows is trying to be quirky and establish a playful relationship between Columbo and Crawford, but it just comes off as padding and is generally trying too hard, as well as making some clumsy selections of public-domain music. And it's never clear why Columbo suspects Crawford in the first place. There are a couple of decent clues, like the victim not crying out when he fell tipping off Columbo that he was already unconscious or dead, but the dialogue between Columbo and his assistant (Richard Riehle, returning from "Ashes") harps on that point too heavily. And the explanation for how the freight elevator got there in the first place is so convoluted and illogical that it's obvious the whole thing is just in service to creating an overly complicated murder technique for the story.

And just as it's never clear why Crawford was a suspect, it's deeply unclear why he's arrested. Columbo's established that he has a motive, but he doesn't have any evidence to clearly implicate Crawford in the victim's drugging, the use of the elevator, or anything else. The final clue Columbo reveals just before ordering Crawford taken away has baffled me for 16 years, because I never understood what it was supposed to reveal that warranted Crawford's arrest. I finally just figured out that it does prove one thing: That the baton Columbo found in the elevator shaft was a gift from the victim's girlfriend, because the musical notes inscribed on its handle match the ones on a love note in his pocket. But he'd already established that several acts earlier just by showing her the baton and asking her! And all it proved was that he'd had the baton when the doors opened and pushed him off. It has nothing to do with Crawford. So why is it presented as the final nail in Crawford's coffin, the big finish of the case against him? It makes no sense. I can think of clues that would've been more damning -- like finding the victim's blood in Crawford's bungalow's carpet where he cut himself on the glass he'd been drugged with. But that never comes up. It's pretty much incoherent.

The ending didn't bother me so much on tonight's viewing, since I knew what to expect, but the first time around back in '01, I was outraged at how nonsensical the ending was, like some big chunk of exposition had been left out. This was the first Columbo movie in two and a half years, the longest gap since the series's return -- and there was every reason to suspect it would be the last one ever, especially considering how poorly it turned out. Oh, Billy Connolly was fun, of course -- I love that magnificent, lyrical brogue of his -- and there were some amusing moments, but it's mostly a sloppy, self-indulgent mess, and a deep, deep letdown for Patrick McGoohan's directorial swan song. The fear that Columbo as a whole might go out on this sour note -- pun intended -- was very upsetting at the time.

Luckily, though, this was not the lieutenant's final outing after all. Still one more to go...

You know, I have a theory that can explain why:
  1. Columbo is still a Lieutenant after (literally) decades of career
  2. He only investigates people who are rich and/or famous
  3. He arrests people when he has evidences that every decent lawyer can destroy in a trial.
It's a conspiracy.

When someone who is wealthy & powerful commits a murder, s/he informs the Cabal of Wealthy And Powerful People who makes sure that Columbo is put on her/his case. In this way the murderer knows that even if s/he is arrested, s/he will almost certainly be acquitted. Obviously the method is not 100% safe because sometime the killer is so stupid to incriminate herself/himself, but nevertheless, this is the best chance for them to get away with a murder. :D

This makes the pair with the theory that Jessica Fletcher is a serial killer (what, do you really believe it is coincidence that there is a murder everywhere she goes???)

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I thought Anthony George looked more like one of Gerry & Sylvia Anderson's Thunderbirds...

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Well, I don't know about George, but I'm sure that the puppet must have had more acting range than Ryan. At least the puppet could flail its little arms for emphasis.

All this talk about Dark Shadows had me realizing something...in a manner similar to how Bixby does such a good job as Banner that he makes you root for him not to become the Hulk, even though that's what you're watching for...when Barnabas turns on the charm for the benefit of those not in the know about his true nature, Frid is so good at it that it makes you want to think that he's not a vampire, even though you know damn well he is.
 
Really? I think that "Maybe I Know" is up there with her Top Tenners (studio version):
True, that one is a goodie.

Yeah, I was thinking after I wrote that, that it's easy to compartmentalize different eras of the decade in hindsight, but to anyone who was old enough to remember in 1967, the Cuban Missile Crisis would have been an uncomfortably recent memory.
I do that a lot. Things that my head has categorized as very far apart can actually be sequential or overlap.

In one scene Simon pretends to be an American journalist...with all due respect to the recently deceased Sir Roger, I'm afraid that his attempt at an accent was horrendous.
I'm sure it sounded fine to the UK audience. :rommie: The subject of accents in TV and movies always crack me up-- people get so uptight about it. Of course, I only notice if something's off when they try to do Massachusetts or New England accents, and often not even then (the funniest is when somebody supposedly from Boston sounds like a bad Kennedy impersonation-- those guys have their own private accent). But there are so many accents, even mini regional accents (you can tell, in many cases, if somebody is from South or from Rozzie), that it's really not reasonable to expect everything to be accurate. I'm in the middle of doing an OTR homage and trying to find somebody who will do a bit part of an Irish informant in 1930s Boston-- I just want somebody who can do a Chief O'Hara imitation. :rommie:

"C'mon Marianne," The Four Seasons
Interesting. I would have guessed that came out about five years later. That's one of the better Four Seasons songs, but not my favorite.

"I Was Made to Love Her," Stevie Wonder
Now that is classic Stevie Wonder. :adore:

Not her health improving, which is evidently the effect of nightfall...there was a wink-nudge reference to her hearing having improved. Is that typically a vampire thing?
Vampires generally have everything cranked up to eleven. Plus, in some stories, they can turn into bats or wolves or whatever, and so they have those heightened animal senses.
 
The subject of accents in TV and movies always crack me up-- people get so uptight about it.
Not uptight...it was just extremely cringeworthy. You'd have to hear it. There was just this hint at trying to do something a bit twangy, otherwise it sounded exactly like Roger Moore usually sounded.

I would have guessed that came out about five years later.
It sounds to me like they're trying to sound psychedelic, which is very 1967.

Now that is classic Stevie Wonder. :adore:
Video's a bit subtly odd, though. I'd take driving around DC as being for the sake of the video, but then they make a point of showing him with a picture in his wallet.
 
Kung Fu: The Reviews Continue

"The Praying Mantis Kills"
Originally aired March 22, 1973

Interesting Bruce Lee coincidence: it has been recorded that Kung Fu was in some way inspired by a Lee concept ("The Warrior"), and Lee had been considered for the lead in what would become this series, but this episode also bears a title similar to a November 18, 1966 episode of The Green Hornet--"The Preying Mantis". That episode featured an uncredited appearance by then-future Kung Fu star Keye Luke--cinema's first Kato in Universal's Green Hornet serial.
 
it has been recorded that Kung Fu was in some way inspired by a Lee concept ("The Warrior")
That point is disputed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_(TV_series)#Bruce_Lee.27s_involvement . And the image of a praying mantis is certainly common enough, such that one of the styles of kung fu is based on it.

As for the potential casting of Lee as Caine...as I watch the series, I just couldn't see it. Lee was a totally kickass martial artist, but Carradine brought subtle qualities to the role that I couldn't see coming from Lee.
 
Stumbled across an interesting connection between Sgt. Pepper and retro TV of the same vintage on the Sirius XM Beatles Channel last night...something I'd probably read somewhere in the past, but didn't have filed away in my memory. The leader of the orchestra on "A Day in the Life" was David McCallum Sr....father of, yeah, that David McCallum.

I think that's him on violin and wearing the nose at 2:01.

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The leader of the orchestra on "A Day in the Life" was David McCallum Sr....father of, yeah, that David McCallum.

That's a coincidence, since I just finished reading the Batman '66 Meets The Man from U.N.C.L.E. trade paperback, so I've had the younger McCallum's voice in my head. It was interesting -- there's actually a scene with a pretty intriguing psychoanalysis of the Batman family -- but it is a bit of a mismatch pairing Batman's wholesome crimefighting with the deadly gunplay of TMFU. Although Olga is a better fit with THRUSH than she ever was with Egghead.
 
Not uptight...it was just extremely cringeworthy. You'd have to hear it. There was just this hint at trying to do something a bit twangy, otherwise it sounded exactly like Roger Moore usually sounded.
I didn't mean you, just in general. People love to manufacture controversies on the Internet.

It sounds to me like they're trying to sound psychedelic, which is very 1967.
Interesting. To me it has more of a Partridge Family kind of sound.

Video's a bit subtly odd, though. I'd take driving around DC as being for the sake of the video, but then they make a point of showing him with a picture in his wallet.
Yeah, I noticed the picture thing. That was a little weird.

As for the potential casting of Lee as Caine...as I watch the series, I just couldn't see it. Lee was a totally kickass martial artist, but Carradine brought subtle qualities to the role that I couldn't see coming from Lee.
I agree. Carradine couldn't have been more perfect for the multi-ethnic, centered Caine.
 

Concepts are ripped off with great frequency in the film business. The fact Lee created his concept (mentioned by him on air before Kung Fu was sold as a pilot movie), pitched it to two studios, then an all too similar plot eventually shows up as a pilot is a wee bit difficult to brush off. Adding to the justified suspicion is the fact Lee pitched his series to Warner Brothers--the eventual producer/distributor of Kung Fu. Then, there's a matter of historical context: Lee was the central force of popularizing martial arts to American audiences / American entertainment as a mainstream subject while on The Green Hornet, and in subsequent roles. To think that he (fighting against the frankly lily white film industry) with a then-revolutionary idea, did not influence members of said industry who (other than perhaps Stirling Silliphant) did not consider starring an Asian male as a lead in a regular series (or movie) seems like Ed Spielman stretching his defense to the point of snapping. Too much historical and creative information to be all just one big coincidence.


And the image of a praying mantis is certainly common enough, such that one of the styles of kung fu is based on it.

I said that was a Lee coincidence, since The Green Hornet was the first U.S. TV series to use "preying mantis" as an episode title, and if one considers Kung Fu's questionable development (influence), it seems someone had watched Lee's old series, or recalled the title....

As for the potential casting of Lee as Caine...as I watch the series, I just couldn't see it. Lee was a totally kickass martial artist, but Carradine brought subtle qualities to the role that I couldn't see coming from Lee.

We cannot say how Lee would have approached the part, other than how it was laid out in his original concept--which was not to-the-wall action from start to finish. His Golden Harvest work did not leave much room for subtlety, but he did display a growing range from time to time in U.S. TV guest spots.
 
Well, they were post-psychedelic pop. Would anyone accuse the Partridge Family of being at the cutting edge of music?
I like the term post-psychedelic pop. Sounds like coming down from a bad trip and realizing you're playing guitar next to Danny Bonaduce. :rommie:
 
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