Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[cultcross]

After so much time as seeing the new aproach does that really seem possible if we want to accept this as prime universe? Wouldn't that sort of like if we went back to calling the Vulcans the Vulcanions's or Starfleet went back to being UESPHA?

Well that's exactly the argument of those who say the Prime universe has been established at this time period - we absolutely should have laughing Vulcanians, UESPA and laser pistols. And Klingons in boot polish and Ming the Merciless mustaches.
Sensibly, the production team decided not to be slaves to the minutiae of a 50 year old show but instead use it as inspiration.

 

[Jayson1]

Well that's exactly the argument of those who say the Prime universe has been established at this time period - we absolutely should have laughing Vulcanians, UESPA and laser pistols. And Klingons in boot polish and Ming the Merciless mustaches.
Sensibly, the production team decided not to be slaves to the minutiae of a 50 year old show but instead use it as inspiration.

It seems like a really impossible task. They got to feel like Klingons as we now see them but also feel like they fit into the TOS timeframe while at the same time needing to be updated for a modern audience.
I wonder if all this stuff might hinge on the Kor character who is supose to be on the show. We could basically be getting a third version of the same character. Which when I think about would be something he shares with Sarek. How we buy into the 3 established characters of Sarek,Kor and Mudd I think might really impact how people think of this universe.

Jason

 

[BillJ]

Sensibly, the production team decided not to be slaves to the minutiae of a 50 year old show but instead use it as inspiration.

I honestly don't see a lot of TOS inspiration in the look of the show. Based on an admittedly small sample.

 

[cultcross]

I honestly don't see a lot of TOS inspiration in the look of the show. Based on an admittedly small sample.

Really? I see tonnes.

Very much so. In fact, it could hardly be any more generically Star Treky if it tried. In the space of a couple of minutes we had Captains and commanders have the career conversation, flip communicator, beam me up Scotty, warp signatures, Treky looking ships, Klingons, Klingon symbols, Starfleet deltas, standard bridge layouts, Vulcans, pro exploration soundbites, and forehead aliens. What could be more Star Trek?

Now that's not all look, but what is there screams Star Trek to me. And most of it from the TOS era. No, it's not in primary colours, but most everything else is there.

 

[ichab]

^^^
Well, to that end - GR was pissed in the end that he SOLD the TOS rights and IP to Paramount -- AND that Paramount turned it into a viable money making machine over the years; of which GR got squat (again - because he SOLD the IP for a lump sum.)

That's why every time Paramount brought GR back to consult, or be involved (TMP and TNG) - GR basically attempted to re-write the Star Trek Universe to effectively say "TOS didn't really exist" (because he didn't own it and got nothing from it; or saying that 'back then due to studio interference/budget, he couldn't do what he really wanted...'; thus TNG was (for him) the better/truer version of Star trek (and something he now owned rights to - and get a piece of the profits - merchandising and otherwise.)

So basically he was George Lucas without power.

 

[cultcross]

So basically he was George Lucas without power.

That's the big difference between the two, really. Lucas retained control of his IP right up to the point he sold to Disney and wielded a lot of creative and business control personally. Roddenberry was forced in fits and starts to the sidelines. You can draw parallels between them in the sense of the creator having control over their 'perfect vision' of the creation creating problems (TNG season 1 vs the Prequel Trilogy perhaps), but Lucas' influence was so much more pronounced for much longer.

 

[ichab]

Star Trek has NEVER stayed consistent with their visual style.

For those who argue the look for Discovery"isn't Star Trek" how did you feel when you saw the many inconsistencies in the movies? In the Kirk era the uniforms changed multiple times as did the interiors of the ship. And don't say "refit" because that is a load of bullocks. Corridors can't go from wide to narrow nor bulkheads from high up to lower due to the foundation of the structure.

And of course....Klingons. The change in their look, uniforms and demeanor made them a completely different species from what we saw on the TOS.

Star Trek has always changed to fit the times, hence why it has lasted for so long.

 

[Spider]

Star Trek has NEVER stayed consistent with their visual style.

For those who argue the look for Discovery"isn't Star Trek" how did you feel when you saw the many inconsistencies in the movies? In the Kirk era the uniforms changed multiple times as did the interiors of the ship. And don't say "refit" because that is a load of bullocks. Corridors can't go from wide to narrow nor bulkheads from high up to lower due to the foundation of the structure.

And of course....Klingons. The change in their look, uniforms and demeanor made them a completely different race from what we saw on the show.

Star Trek has always changed to fit the times, hence why it has lasted for so long.

Which all goes back to "Is it entertaining or not?". It doesn't have to be good Star Trek for us to enjoy it, it just has to be good, and we'll fit the pieces together later like we always do.

 

[Tuskin38]

Didn't one of the actors say he was learning Klingon?

 

[Greg Cox]

Now that's not all look, but what is there screams Star Trek to me. And most of it from the TOS era. No, it's not in primary colours, but most everything else is there.

Certainly, the dialogue screams STAR TREK:

"Detecting warp signatures, captain."

"Alert Starfleet Command!"

 

[Mudd]

Certainly, the dialogue screams STAR TREK:

"Detecting warp signatures, captain."

"Alert Starfleet Command!"

That much is certain.

Viewer Caution: Drinking games based on the announcement of remaining shield strength expressed as percentages may cause permanent liver damage.

 

[BillJ]

That much is certain.

Viewer Caution: Drinking games based on the announcement of remaining shield strength expressed as percentages may cause permanent liver damage.

Yeoh's "We have engaged the Klingons.", just seems like a poor version of Stewart's "We have engaged the Borg". I'm hoping it is something that just seems poor due to the way the trailer is cut.

 

[Firebird]

That much is certain.

Viewer Caution: Drinking games based on the announcement of remaining shield strength expressed as percentages may cause permanent liver damage.

Captain! Liver at 98% capacity; your stomach cannae take much more of this!

 

[137th Gebirg]

Didn't one of the actors say he was learning Klingon?

Yes. Claire McConnell is doing this.

 

[fireproof78]

Which all goes back to "Is it entertaining or not?". It doesn't have to be good Star Trek for us to enjoy it, it just has to be good, and we'll fit the pieces together later like we always do.

What a ridiculous standard :P

 

[Jesse1066]

Corridors can't go from wide to narrow nor bulkheads from high up to lower due to the foundation of the structure.

Why can't they? Surely it would be easier than going from narrow to wide or low to high. Besides, they had no trouble doing that to the set. This is what the corridor on Stage 9 looked like before Phase II became TMP:

In universe, I imagine the ship's increased power consumption required them to sacrifice some corridor space for plasma conduits and such, but that's just headcanon, obviously.

 

[Jayson1]

As for the changes with the "TOS" movies I think one thing that helps make them fell consistent is they had the same uniforms from movie 2 to 6 and movie 2,3 and 4 are basically a trilogy and most of the same people who went into creating the movies were the same such as Harve Bennett,Nick Meyer and Leonard Nimoy.
Isn't one reason why the question of this not being part of the prime universe is because RIck Berman isn't in charge anymore? Say what you will about him but he did create a level of familiarity from TNG,DS9,Voyager to Enterprise. Without him it makes sense that something new can stray very far from what was done in most of the shows to a point were you don't feel like you can connect them together.

Jason

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ There may be a fair amount of complaints about Rick Berman or his time in charge, but there's no reason why other showrunners can't maintain the prime timeline. It's not Berman's exclusive property or anything like that.

 

[Noname Given]

Yeoh's "We have engaged the Klingons.", just seems like a poor version of Stewart's "We have engaged the Borg". I'm hoping it is something that just seems poor due to the way the trailer is cut.

Most military people state: "We engaged..." or "We have engaged..." <insert current enemy here> in verbal, recorded or written reports to superiors. Picard's "Inform Admiral Hansen...we have engaged the Borg." wasn't a particularly original or unique line.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That much is certain.

/Spock