I think it's time for a colorful metaphor.
The New Klingons
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They actually will destroy all copies of DSC made so far, and give it to Axanar Group for a Better Trek (copyright pending).
For a technologically advanced warp-capable species, they do not look like they are from a science fiction setting, with those ridiculous armor spikes; not a good science fiction, anyway.
In addition to earlier quotes from "Depicting Klingons", take a note of the following parts too:
Also, ironically, this discussion about the new Klingons, so far, is larger than the discussion about the new Starfleet uniforms. And someone in another thread said, "no one cares about Klingons." This clearly proves that they were wrong.
In addition to earlier quotes from "Depicting Klingons", take a note of the following parts too:
The swarthy appearance of the Klingon faces was actually created with a dark brown cream base, which was applied to the actors' faces. (Star Trek: Aliens & Artifacts, p. 42) Rick Stratton, who was part of a small team of young makeup artists enlisted by Fred Phillips to work with him on Star Trek: The Motion Picture, uncertainly recollected, "I think the makeup was called 'Mexican #1 or #2.' That was the name of the original makeup foundation – they actually had kind of racist names at the time, like 'Negro #1' and 'Mexican #2' – which was the basis for the original Star Trek makeups." (Star Trek Magazine issue 172, p. 59)
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The Klingons' appearance changed within the original Star Trek series; although dark makeup and heavy eyebrows were the norm, the Klingons of "The Trouble with Tribbles" were much lighter-skinned and more Human-like in appearance. [. . .] Explained Robert Justman, "The second time [the Klingons appeared], something went wrong. I didn't see them in their makeup before they were photographed, as I usually did. The first time I saw the Klingons revisited, I was horrified. They were much paler and didn't match what we'd done before. I blew a gasket, but in television, unless it's a total disaster, you can't afford to reshoot. The third outing, we went back to them being darker." (Star Trek: Communicator issue 114, p. 24) Trying to account for these makeup differences, Ruth Berman stated they were "Because there are different races of Klingons, just as there are different races of Earthmen. Also, because, when Fred Phillips looked up information on Klingons for 'The Trouble with Tribbles', the photos he found were poorly lit and gave the appearance of light skin and ordinary eyebrows. Since then, he has followed the 'Errand of Mercy' style of Klingon." (These Are the Voyages: TOS Season Two)
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The Klingons' appearance changed within the original Star Trek series; although dark makeup and heavy eyebrows were the norm, the Klingons of "The Trouble with Tribbles" were much lighter-skinned and more Human-like in appearance. [. . .] Explained Robert Justman, "The second time [the Klingons appeared], something went wrong. I didn't see them in their makeup before they were photographed, as I usually did. The first time I saw the Klingons revisited, I was horrified. They were much paler and didn't match what we'd done before. I blew a gasket, but in television, unless it's a total disaster, you can't afford to reshoot. The third outing, we went back to them being darker." (Star Trek: Communicator issue 114, p. 24) Trying to account for these makeup differences, Ruth Berman stated they were "Because there are different races of Klingons, just as there are different races of Earthmen. Also, because, when Fred Phillips looked up information on Klingons for 'The Trouble with Tribbles', the photos he found were poorly lit and gave the appearance of light skin and ordinary eyebrows. Since then, he has followed the 'Errand of Mercy' style of Klingon." (These Are the Voyages: TOS Season Two)
Also, ironically, this discussion about the new Klingons, so far, is larger than the discussion about the new Starfleet uniforms. And someone in another thread said, "no one cares about Klingons." This clearly proves that they were wrong.
Why would armor spikes somehow mean a species isn't warp capable? It could be a fashion statement, or some respect towards a historical time for their culture or for defense.
"Star Trek" fans sure do have a hard time wrapping their minds around the whole "alien" idea.
I remember the old Max Factor color names (actually pancake, not cream as quoted - pancake was water-based and popular with film make-up artists in the 60s because it was easily applied and didn't require setting powder, etc). Yes, they had names like "Mexican," "Chinese" etc.
It didn't stop the Romulans, with their ginormous 80's shoulder pads, from being a formidable adversary. I can only guess they played American football or watched Dynasty reruns during off hours for fun.
Perhaps someone hasn't seen the Elites and the Brutes from Halo?
Or Scarrans from Farscape, Protoss from Starcraft, and on and on?
Among others
Saying a species can't have spiked armor is rather speciest.
For a technologically advanced warp-capable species, they do not look like they are from a science fiction setting, with those ridiculous armor spikes; not a good science fiction, anyway.
In addition to earlier quotes from "Depicting Klingons", take a note of the following parts too:
The swarthy appearance of the Klingon faces was actually created with a dark brown cream base, which was applied to the actors' faces. (Star Trek: Aliens & Artifacts, p. 42) Rick Stratton, who was part of a small team of young makeup artists enlisted by Fred Phillips to work with him on Star Trek: The Motion Picture, uncertainly recollected, "I think the makeup was called 'Mexican #1 or #2.' That was the name of the original makeup foundation – they actually had kind of racist names at the time, like 'Negro #1' and 'Mexican #2' – which was the basis for the original Star Trek makeups." (Star Trek Magazine issue 172, p. 59)
[. . .]
The Klingons' appearance changed within the original Star Trek series; although dark makeup and heavy eyebrows were the norm, the Klingons of "The Trouble with Tribbles" were much lighter-skinned and more Human-like in appearance. [. . .] Explained Robert Justman, "The second time [the Klingons appeared], something went wrong. I didn't see them in their makeup before they were photographed, as I usually did. The first time I saw the Klingons revisited, I was horrified. They were much paler and didn't match what we'd done before. I blew a gasket, but in television, unless it's a total disaster, you can't afford to reshoot. The third outing, we went back to them being darker." (Star Trek: Communicator issue 114, p. 24) Trying to account for these makeup differences, Ruth Berman stated they were "Because there are different races of Klingons, just as there are different races of Earthmen. Also, because, when Fred Phillips looked up information on Klingons for 'The Trouble with Tribbles', the photos he found were poorly lit and gave the appearance of light skin and ordinary eyebrows. Since then, he has followed the 'Errand of Mercy' style of Klingon." (These Are the Voyages: TOS Season Two)
Also, ironically, this discussion about the new Klingons, so far, is larger than the discussion about the new Starfleet uniforms. And someone in another thread said, "no one cares about Klingons." This clearly proves that they were wrong.
Should Alien be look more like Human? Yes, they bipedal, they're Humanoid. But should they look like a human? Like in TOS or TNG?
Come-on, TNG Klingon look like a man in costume too much. They just give make up to face and head, but what about their body? Even Worf look like a human with plastic surgery. He's human if you look at his body and legs. While these Klingons, even when they are humanoid dan bipedal, they're not human, but different species.
Klingon should be a different species, not a different race. They're not human.
They changed the desk tops and some of the lines of the ship. But the underlying technology isn't much different all. With advanced industrial scale 3D printing, the real 23rd Century will probably involve building or radically changing structures in hours or minutes not years in a dock.
Is there some reason to think that the new Klingon makeup is alot cheaper than TNG/DS9/VOY Klingon makeup? They said it would be "very cool" and "fun" to reimagine the aliens. There is no practical reason there. It's just "fun". And "cool". I'm sure it is. And that's fine, since it's a reboot.
I don't think we know all the reasons they made the changes.
Probably would be pretty hard to get quality people to work on the show if they had to 100% stay true to what came before. Creative folks like to put their stamp on things.
As well as what directives CBS issued as part of this process. Again, a distinctive mark within the larger market.
Imagine an all-CG Klingon, 10 ft tall, with fangs and spikes, and finally looking like real, dangerous aliens.
And the fan reactions would have been something to see.
We got that--the Xindi reptiles--and they wore Klingon uniforms from ST:TUC to boot.
They weren't CG. They just looked like Sarris from Galaxy Quest.
Which were handy for Archer to stick a grenade in. I don't think they ever considered practicality when designing their uniforms.
Those are Klingons? they look like the generic bumpy foreheads I saw on Enterprise and Voyager.
So..they're Klingons?
Come on, Klingons are the most well known example of "bumpy forehead alien".
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