'White genocide in space': Racist "fans" seething at racial diversity in Discovery...
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I'm a big fan of ecumenism (there's a $30 word for you). My dad was Catholic, my grandfather studied to be a Catholic priest, and I have been to Catholic, Orthodox and several other servicesI too fall in that camp. And I agree with you.
(Except I'm technically Catholic. Married a Methodist minister though!)
People will always have multiple points of view. The idea is to find the common ground in their thinking, and build those bridges, not condemn them for being "wrong" or "wrong type of Star Trek fan."
I hope they have an episode were a manly white admiral dresses down all the not white characters after they did something controversial and at the end of the episode when al the racists celebrate the admiral returns home where he immediately goes down on his black husband.
Nothing makes me roll my eyes quite like people drawing lines in the sand between "real fans" and "fake fans." I hate "real fans" bs.
However, if your reaction to DSC is "white genocide," you're not a real fan. Period. You clearly don't know shit about Star Trek. So, gtfo.
However, if your reaction to DSC is "white genocide," you're not a real fan. Period. You clearly don't know shit about Star Trek. So, gtfo.
Not sure I'm interested in building bridges to folks who devalue human life based on skin color or sexual orientation.
Intolerant of intolerance?
And perhaps that isn't your role. But it won't change if no one is willing to talk with each other about different points of view, and instead draw battle lines and cluster together to insult the other side.
Not really sure for some of those guys...
The problem is: we've lost the ability to have a logical, rationale conversation without either getting offended or reverting to name calling.
Case in point: my in-laws were here this past weekend. I do my best to not converse politics with my father-in-law. I'm not going to get into the details but a conversation did happen while we were working in the lawn. It was both of our faults, but it got a little nasty. I stopped the conversation. He's my father-in-law. I respect him. And I don't want World War III because of disagreeing about politics.
But he thought he "won" because I put an end to it. I think that irked me more than anything. But I let it go.
I believe the best course of action is to continue to marginalize what those folks believe in. They are deserving of being kicked to the fringes of society.
I will NOT find common ground with racists or homophobes, I will put them in their place and tell them they're wrong because they are.
Agree. Tolerating different viewpoints applies to things like coffee vs tea or The Beatles vs The Rolling Stones, not questions about people's basic humanity and rights.
I'm a big fan of ecumenism (there's a $30 word for you). My dad was Catholic, my grandfather studied to be a Catholic priest, and I have been to Catholic, Orthodox and several other services
I wish I could double-like for that!
Which only increases that validity of their cause in their minds. It enables them to rally together. Not being willing to open up and discuss issues just adds more fuel to the fire. Their rationality may be completely absurd, but for them it is valid. You can't change people by being their enemy, it only entrenches them. You can only change people by building bridges.
Now just wait until people see a female alien beat a male alien in a fight. Fandom will never survive that and go up in flames.
Umm... Kira? Torres? T'Pol?
If this view was what was enforced in the 1800s we'd stall have people with dark skin only being counted as three-fifths of a person. Because who should question basic humanity and rights.
Isn't respectful disagreement on any subject also a basic human right?
T'Pol beating up Spock!
(And for the uninitiated, I was referring to the recent Supergirl drama.
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White conservative females, too, I'll bet.
For me, this kind of feeling goes all the way to Avery Brooks as Ben Sisko on Deep Space Nine, and is why (IMHO) one of the reasons that DS9 didn't do well (I even voiced this at a convention once.)
Actually we had a war over that. Then the losing side just stayed racist and bitter for the next century before the laws were changed to strip away their discrimination. But they keep trying and will keep losing. Bigots always lose in the end and that's wonderful. They lost on black people, they lost on gay people, they're on women, they're losing on trans people. They just get louder because they know the end is coming soon. I'm sure they'll find another group to hate since that's all they have in life, bitter hatred.
But back on topic, I've been on this board a while and noticed a dark, evil strain of bigot hiding in the shadows. Only emerging to say something awful, then act offended when they were rightfully called on it. They're Trek fans, but that doesn't change how wrong they are. Maybe they enjoy the pretty colors, I don't know how their mind works and don't really want to know.
Unfortunately, it creates a martyrdom status. There was a great interview (I'll try and find it) with a former member of the Westboro cult who stated that she left not because people kicked her out, and "put her in her place" but because she received warmth, compassion and positive regard, despite her beliefs.
And, with due respect to another human being, I will always listen.
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