Unless it's a nonsensical Luc Besson movie starring Scarlett Johansson. Then it grosses $100 million domestically.
Spoilers Dark Matter - Season 2
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Unless it's a nonsensical Luc Besson movie starring Scarlett Johansson. Then it grosses $100 million domestically.
Why do people keep forgetting about those times Superman gave Batman the royal smack down and Batman couldn't do jack?
In his most recent post on his own blog, show-runner Mallozzi promises the following things in S3:
-showing the fate of the crew after the destruction of the space station
-(presumably new) revelations about the pasts of Six, Five, Three, Two and aboutt he origins of the Android (which, I guess, seems to more or less confirm that all those survived the destruction of EOS7). In the case of three, the revelation about his past is tied to Four avoiding him on the Raza after he regained his memories.
-in addition, Five has kept a secret from the rest of the gang
-more on Dwarf Star and its black goo thing
-who was traveling in the alternate universe marauder (my guess, One or Corso)
-more on the rebel androids and (unrelated) on Lt.Anders and his allegiance
No mention of what was up with Derrick Moss, though that could be tied to the surprising past of Three (did he kill Moss' wife after all, I wonder?) or to whoever is in the Marauder.
-showing the fate of the crew after the destruction of the space station
-(presumably new) revelations about the pasts of Six, Five, Three, Two and aboutt he origins of the Android (which, I guess, seems to more or less confirm that all those survived the destruction of EOS7). In the case of three, the revelation about his past is tied to Four avoiding him on the Raza after he regained his memories.
-in addition, Five has kept a secret from the rest of the gang
-more on Dwarf Star and its black goo thing
-who was traveling in the alternate universe marauder (my guess, One or Corso)
-more on the rebel androids and (unrelated) on Lt.Anders and his allegiance
No mention of what was up with Derrick Moss, though that could be tied to the surprising past of Three (did he kill Moss' wife after all, I wonder?) or to whoever is in the Marauder.
Wonder if we'll ever get anything on the Raza it's self and how the ship came into Two's hands.
That's something I've been wondering about as well. After S2, we can reasonably say that the Raza has the capacities of a warship, as it isn't afraid to take on Zairon cruisers or corporate warships. Portia was allied to Ferrous, but the Raza doesn't look anything like a Ferrous ship.
In all those revelations, there would probably be room for a reveal about the ship, too.
I was a little surprised we never found out about the escapees from the alternate universe this season.
While I agree that One/Corso makes the most sense, there's something to be said for having it be one of the still-regulars on the show. Most people will have forgotten about the alternate universe escapees by the middle of next summer, and a suprise evil twin episode may catch quite a few viewers off guard, before it's revealed at the end that we're not looking at the character we thought we were.
While I agree that One/Corso makes the most sense, there's something to be said for having it be one of the still-regulars on the show. Most people will have forgotten about the alternate universe escapees by the middle of next summer, and a suprise evil twin episode may catch quite a few viewers off guard, before it's revealed at the end that we're not looking at the character we thought we were.
That doesn't surprise me. He certainly seemed to have crossed the line to become the main villain as of the end of last season.
I didn't see any trace of Nyx in the trailer. Either she really is dead, or they're being cagey about her fate to keep up the suspense. I hope it's the latter.
Why would we want that? Surely character growth and change is preferable to reset buttons. It's audacious for a show to turn one of its main protagonists into the main villain. I'm reminded of Babylon 5, where at least a couple of characters went through similarly transformative arcs over the run of the series, so that a character who initially seemed like the comic relief ended up as the unwitting catalyst for the worst evil in the series, and a character who initially seemed like the main recurring villain ended up undergoing redemption and becoming the most noble and saintly person on the show.
Is it really character growth when Four only reverted to his original personality? Now the Android, that's character growth.
Never got into Babylon 5. I watched it for a week when I was traveling for work but never saw it again when I got back, so I can't compare. It was probably on during bedtime stories and baths for the kids or something because I hardly ever missed a sf show.
Never got into Babylon 5. I watched it for a week when I was traveling for work but never saw it again when I got back, so I can't compare. It was probably on during bedtime stories and baths for the kids or something because I hardly ever missed a sf show.
Four's original personality came into being at the start of the show -- a blank slate with no idea who he was, like all the others. He was on the same journey as the rest, gradually learning who they had been before and having to decide what they wanted to do with those discoveries. Some of the characters chose to renounce what they had been before, to try to make amends for their past mistakes. For instance, Two embraced her fresh start and insisted on remaining Two rather than going back to being Portia or Rebecca. But Four made the opposite choice and embraced his former identity as Ryo Ishida. In-universe, maybe that's more regression than growth, but from our perspective as viewers, it's a transformation of the character we first met. And it was the result of the choices Four made over the course of the story, choices that made him distinct from the other characters, so it absolutely does count as character development. I don't see why it would be desirable to hit some lazy reset button and undo all of that. It would invalidate his entire journey as a character.
I was counting Four's original personality as who he was when the Raza crew were mercenaries. The nice introspective Four was who he was later but not through any growth on his part. It seemed to me that he had more depth in that persona than he does now. I don't have any wish for him to be rebooted, (although there does seem to be a couple of ways it could happen) it just seems that the crew is getting small and I'd like it to be larger again. Of course, Nyx and even the doctor may yet return.
No, that was Ryo's personality. Four is a personality that did not exist until the moment the series began. Four was an amnesiac, a blank slate. He learned he had once been Ryo, and he chose to become Ryo again. That's a different journey than the other characters followed. The first two seasons of this show were about a group of blank slates learning about their pasts and deciding who they wanted to become. Each one has followed a different journey and made different choices.
Besides, from our perspective as viewers of a work of fiction, his original personality was the one we first saw in episode 1. That's where we started, so any change from that starting point is development. Forget splitting hairs over the strict definition of "growth" -- that's a distraction. I'm not married to that word choice. My point is that it was a journey for the character, a process of change from who he was when we first met him to who he is now, and that it made his journey distinct from those of the other characters.
Except did he really become Ryo? Ryo was betrayed for selfish political reasons, and was innocent despite being framed.
Would the original pre-4 Ryo , upon learning that his half-brother was also innocent and quite willing to relinquish power, still have had his brother killed?
Seems like 4 dumped all he had learned & grown at the end of the season...and to me, quite illogically. I am reminded of Tyr Anasazi in Andromeda...where his turn to seek to become the Nietchean leader (and thus an antagonist) in a Nietechean way seemed logical and in character.
And I agree with Christopher on the diversity of Babylon 5, and the different types of turns characters made. I just don't think it made sense in the way it did on Babylon 5.
Ok, and looking at Christopher's words...sure, it would make sense (certainly dramatically) for one of the crew to turn to "the dark side" if you will. I just don't think that it should have been 4, and is path didn't make much sense.
And regarding Nyx and the doctor... Nyx seems kind of redundant to two.... unless they were two sides of the same coin (if you will). ANd the Doctor...ummm, no big deal to me that his story is over. And in real life, especially one that takes place in an underworld like Dark Matter, deaths should be expected. Especially if 5/6 of the numbered crew are still alive after 2 seasons. (Android hasn't been officially designated 7...maybe she should replace 1?)
Would the original pre-4 Ryo , upon learning that his half-brother was also innocent and quite willing to relinquish power, still have had his brother killed?
Seems like 4 dumped all he had learned & grown at the end of the season...and to me, quite illogically. I am reminded of Tyr Anasazi in Andromeda...where his turn to seek to become the Nietchean leader (and thus an antagonist) in a Nietechean way seemed logical and in character.
And I agree with Christopher on the diversity of Babylon 5, and the different types of turns characters made. I just don't think it made sense in the way it did on Babylon 5.
Ok, and looking at Christopher's words...sure, it would make sense (certainly dramatically) for one of the crew to turn to "the dark side" if you will. I just don't think that it should have been 4, and is path didn't make much sense.
And regarding Nyx and the doctor... Nyx seems kind of redundant to two.... unless they were two sides of the same coin (if you will). ANd the Doctor...ummm, no big deal to me that his story is over. And in real life, especially one that takes place in an underworld like Dark Matter, deaths should be expected. Especially if 5/6 of the numbered crew are still alive after 2 seasons. (Android hasn't been officially designated 7...maybe she should replace 1?)
Like Nyx, there is also no sign of inspector Kierken. Not very encouraging.
In various blog posts, Malozzi has promised there will be more background reveals in S3, particularly so for the still relatively enigmatic Five.
I will not be surprised if Marc Bendavid is seen again in the coming season. Alternate universes and timetravel episodes aside, I still expect his character's backstory to be revisited.
In various blog posts, Malozzi has promised there will be more background reveals in S3, particularly so for the still relatively enigmatic Five.
I will not be surprised if Marc Bendavid is seen again in the coming season. Alternate universes and timetravel episodes aside, I still expect his character's backstory to be revisited.
Late to the discussion, but not the show. I don't know if it's been brought up before, but all of this ties into one of the religious motifs on the show. The Razã as in Tabula Rasa. Which may be it's very purpose.
