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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

Or maybe if they want to do a show that attacks Trump and conservatives, create one, and leave the superhero show to the superhero storylines.

I'm obviously not a liberal, and this happens on so many shows. I think writers need to realize that this kind of overt demonizing of conservatives actually is one of the reasons Trump won. People are tired of Hollywood getting on their high horse and forcing their views down the throats of America.

If Supergirl's purpose is to shill for the democrat party, that's not a purpose. Good versus Evil--that's a purpose. They never got this overt in their anti-conservatve views before. It really sucked to watch and ruined the episode for me.
 
Supergirl stands for good, not our fault that generally sides with us Liberals :p

they wouldn't force their opinions into their show.

Their shows means yes they can and I am very confident that a show called Supergirl has a mostly progressive audience.
 
I'm honestly tired of people complaining about Hollywood getting on their high horse and forcing their views on poor old America.

If it offends you that much, don't watch the show.
 
Their shows means yes they can and I am very confident that a show called Supergirl has a mostly progressive audience.

You'd hope, but the number of right-wing Trekkies is a bit disturbing, and I saw a UKIP candidate (right-wing UK anti-immigration, anti-EU party) on TV wearing a Green Lantern t-shirt yesterday.
 
Supergirl seems to do better with these "big event" episodes than with filler episodes. This episode was more interesting, more action packed with a lot of exciting moments. It was great seeing Cat back. I really feel like the show needs her. She provides a moral center for Kara. Her "resist" speech was fantastic. I don't mind the political stuff too much although it is really flagrant.

The whole scene with Air Force One was rather ridiculous. First, there is no way that AF1 would be flying towards an alien armada. SOP is always to get the president to safety ASAP. Second, Cat's feminist speech was horrible. The allusion to women not doing "size contests" like men was over the top and Cat acting like she could negotiate peace with Rhea was crazy. Surely, when an alien has spaceships hovering over your city blasting it to bits and an army is forcefully imposing martial law, they are not going to just sit down with some media mogul and talk peace.

Rhea has gone full mustache twirling villain at this point which I don't mind. Teri Hatcher does it well and it is an established staple of these types of shows to have an over the top villain. It's fun to watch. On the other hand, poor Lynda! She is pretty terrible as the president.

I know it is very common in these shows but I chuckled at the huge plot coincidence that the Daxamites had a long time to find the positron gun but somehow only take it out right at the moment when Alex was faced with the impossible choice and was seconds away from firing.

I did also really like that Kara had a plan B for when Lillian would betray her. I hate the trope of the good guys working with the bad guy and acting shocked when the bad guy betrays them. Nice to see the hero plan for it for once. I know the show wanted to keep Kara on the ship to do the big plot twist at the end but I think Kara should have used the phantom projector with Mon-El. Staying to try to talk Rhea into surrendering is pretty naive. Why do the heroes always think that they can somehow change the mind of the villain just by talking? It almost never works, except for when the plot calls for it to work! I guess it is the idea that the heroes believe in a more positive human nature that there is some good inside everybody, even the villain. I guess that optimistic view of human nature is what makes them heroes.

On a side note, Katie McGrath looked amazing in that red wedding dress.
 
I'm honestly tired of people complaining about Hollywood getting on their high horse and forcing their views on poor old America.

If it offends you that much, don't watch the show.

It's not an unreasonable request to not want to have politics on a superhero show. And if everyone had that attitude, then every show would lose half their audience. Should conservatives not be allowed to watch TV because they are conservative? Is that what you really think?

And as for Supergirl having a liberal audience, don't bet on it. Supergirl is an offshoot of Superman, who has stood for many conservative values.

Also, superhero shows shouldn't be political. Conservatives and liberals alike should be able to enjoy the battle of good v. evil without one side being portrayed as evil because writers don't have similar views.

I find that in many cases liberals don't know what conservative views are because their impressions of them are skewed by liberal writers and news sites telling them what conservatives are.

Supergirl stands for good, not our fault that generally sides with us Liberals

There you go. That's simply not true. If you really believe that, it's because of how Hollywood and the media portrays conservatives.

You'd hope, but the number of right-wing Trekkies is a bit disturbing,

More disturbing is this kind of comment, which implies that conservatives don't have a right to like Star Trek, and that somehow the good nature of Star Trek is something that conservatives don't believe in.

Are you really that conditioned to hate on conservatives like that? I hope it's not too much of a revelation that there are good people who are conservative and bad people that are liberal in this world, despite what Hollywood wants people to think.

I don't want to get too political, but it is a problem and I think if you do feel that way, one of the reasons is because of the one sided nature of shows like this, which demonizes anyone who isn't liberal.

This show isn't the place for it.
 
You'd hope, but the number of right-wing Trekkies is a bit disturbing, and I saw a UKIP candidate (right-wing UK anti-immigration, anti-EU party) on TV wearing a Green Lantern t-shirt yesterday.

I can understand if your right wing position comes in the form of fiscal policy but right wing social idelogy goes against the absolute spirit of Trek and most sci fi these days, Supergirl included.

The whole scene with Air Force One was rather ridiculous. First, there is no way that AF1 would be flying towards an alien armada. SOP is always to get the president to safety ASAP. Second, Cat's feminist speech was horrible. The allusion to women not doing "size contests" like men was over the top and Cat acting like she could negotiate peace with Rhea was crazy. Surely, when an alien has spaceships hovering over your city blasting it to bits and an army is forcefully imposing martial law, they are not going to just sit down with some media mogul and talk peace.

Those few minutes nearly derailed the episode.

There you go. That's simply not true. If you really believe that, it's because of how Hollywood and the media portrays conservatives.

You missed the :p I see. Though conservatives politicians speak enough in front of cameras showing us who and what they are, we don't need hollywood for that.

Superman, who has stood for many conservative values.

Maybe in the early years of the character but I don't see Superman being a big fan of current Conservatism. Supergirl is a strong empowered woman who fights injustice, corruption and in this show has a gay sister...It's a show for an audience with a clear progressive view on social issues, which some people on the right can fall into (some).
 
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It's not an unreasonable request to not want to have politics on a superhero show. And if everyone had that attitude, then every show would lose half their audience. Should conservatives not be allowed to watch TV because they are conservative? Is that what you really think?

And as for Supergirl having a liberal audience, don't bet on it. Supergirl is an offshoot of Superman, who has stood for many conservative values.

Also, superhero shows shouldn't be political. Conservatives and liberals alike should be able to enjoy the battle of good v. evil without one side being portrayed as evil because writers don't have similar views.

I find that in many cases liberals don't know what conservative views are because their impressions of them are skewed by liberal writers and news sites telling them what conservatives are.
So, don't watch the show, problem solved.
 
Supergirl seems to do better with these "big event" episodes than with filler episodes. This episode was more interesting, more action packed with a lot of exciting moments. It was great seeing Cat back. I really feel like the show needs her. She provides a moral center for Kara. Her "resist" speech was fantastic. I don't mind the political stuff too much although it is really flagrant.

The whole scene with Air Force One was rather ridiculous. First, there is no way that AF1 would be flying towards an alien armada. SOP is always to get the president to safety ASAP. Second, Cat's feminist speech was horrible. The allusion to women not doing "size contests" like men was over the top and Cat acting like she could negotiate peace with Rhea was crazy. Surely, when an alien has spaceships hovering over your city blasting it to bits and an army is forcefully imposing martial law, they are not going to just sit down with some media mogul and talk peace.

Rhea has gone full mustache twirling villain at this point which I don't mind. Teri Hatcher does it well and it is an established staple of these types of shows to have an over the top villain. It's fun to watch. On the other hand, poor Lynda! She is pretty terrible as the president.

I know it is very common in these shows but I chuckled at the huge plot coincidence that the Daxamites had a long time to find the positron gun but somehow only take it out right at the moment when Alex was faced with the impossible choice and was seconds away from firing.

I did also really like that Kara had a plan B for when Lillian would betray her. I hate the trope of the good guys working with the bad guy and acting shocked when the bad guy betrays them. Nice to see the hero plan for it for once. I know the show wanted to keep Kara on the ship to do the big plot twist at the end but I think Kara should have used the phantom projector with Mon-El. Staying to try to talk Rhea into surrendering is pretty naive. Why do the heroes always think that they can somehow change the mind of the villain just by talking? It almost never works, except for when the plot calls for it to work! I guess it is the idea that the heroes believe in a more positive human nature that there is some good inside everybody, even the villain. I guess that optimistic view of human nature is what makes them heroes.

On a side note, Katie McGrath looked amazing in that red wedding dress.

She's always had boobs.

We got a princess bride situation here.

"Did he say man and wife?"

What Rea said was "I now pronounce you... ...Send a squadron to the surface and kill that woman!"

UM?

Is that legally binding?

"Are Lena and Mon-El now and forever a squadron of guards who have to go down tot he surface and kill that woman?"

PS

If you liked that Cat speech, that used to happen thrice an hour on Ally McBeal.

Check it out. :)
 
Also, superhero shows shouldn't be political.

Oh, bull. Superheroes have always been political. The Superman of 1938-9 was a blatant political activist, fighting government and business corruption and standing up for social causes like slum improvement. The Superman of the post-WWII radio series was constantly fighting racist and immigrant-bashing political demagogues and making overtly political speeches about the need for racial and religious tolerance, and the radio show was honored by the government for its social activism. Captain America's debut issue had him punching Hitler on the cover at a time when it was still very controversial in American politics to speak out against the Nazis. Wonder Woman was created to be overtly feminist and pacifist propaganda. The X-Men have been an allegory on racism almost from their creation.

After all, most of the great superheroes were invented by the sons of Jewish immigrants, people who experienced poverty and persecution on a daily basis throughout their lives. The fact that they wrote stories about outsider characters who fought for social justice was not an accident. Striving to make a difference in the world, standing up for a cause, is always political. So it's a contradiction in terms to say that superheroes shouldn't be political.

Which is not to say there haven't been conservative voices doing comics as well, because of course there have been. Notable examples include Al Hartley's evangelical Christian comics, many using Archie Comics characters, and a lot of Frank Miller's work. I'm sure there are more subtle examples too. For instance, Batman has often been interpreted as a conservative character because of how his methods appear to align with "tough on crime" social policies.
 
^ That :techman:

Batman has often been interpreted as a conservative character because of how his methods appear to align with "tough on crime" social policie

I was thinking about where Batman lies because his tough stance on crime would be seen as stereotypical right wing. However he refuses to kill in most versions and hates unchecked power, greed (despite being a billionaire) & corruption.
 
I can understand if your right wing position comes in the form of fiscal policy but right wing social idelogy goes against the absolute spirit of Trek and most sci fi these days, Supergirl included.

I don't believe that's true so much either. But it's hard to counter without you giving an example--though for sake of this thread and not derailing it, could you provide a Supergirl example of a conservative value that goes against Supergirl? If something comes up organically in a Star Trek thread I'm participating in, I would be happy to discuss that as well.

You missed the :p I see. Though conservatives politicians speak enough in front of cameras showing us who and what they are, we don't need hollywood for that.

You have to understand, that while I did know you were joking, the writers don't seem to see it that way. It's very frustrating to constantly see conservative values demonized by Hollywood, who clearly have no clue what conservative values are. The only show in recent times that skewed liberal but didn't completely demonize conservatives was The Good Wife, and I didn't complain then because that was the type of show it was. Plus, the conservative characters were not treated terribly.

Now if you do believe that about conservative politicians, then does that mean you agree that maybe a superhero show should just be a superhero show? As a conservative, all I would have liked was maybe 2 or 3 lines changed to NOT demonize half the country.

Maybe in the early years of the character but I don't see Superman being a big fan of current Conservatism. Supergirl is a strong empowered woman who fights injustice, corruption and in this show has a gay sister...It's a show for an audience with a clear progressive view on social issues, which some people on the right can fall into (some).

I'm going to guess that you may not see Superman as a fan of Hollywood portrayal of conservative views, but I see him as a true fan of actual conservative views. The character is my favorite comic book character of all time. I guess it's a function of who writes him, but the character that became so popular is the one that in my opinion, would be a conservative. And for what it's worth, I really liked Superman when he appeared on Supergirl.

Just to address Supergirl and what you said specifically, conservatives have no problem with strong empowered women. Why would we? They're kind of awesome. Fighting injustice? We're all for that too.

A gay sister? I know this may come as a shock, but acceptance of gays and gay rights, including gay marriage is NOT liberal only thing. Now I do disagree with how the show ran the Alex storyline this year. Again, it's a superhero show, and I think they spent way too much time on the romantic subplot of Alex (a feeling I would also have if she were straight and Maggie was a human male cop), but that's another issue.

Yes, the show does have a liberal slant. I do admit that. But that doesn't mean it should overtly shill for the democrat party and demonize Trump the way they did last night.

I really enjoy this show--and all of the DC shows. A lot.

But last night went way over the line, and I feel that it's very fair to call them out on it.

So, don't watch the show, problem solved.

Another way to solve the problem is to keep politics and shilling for one party off a superhero show and NOT alienate half the country.

Your solution is not very tolerant.

If you liked that Cat speech, that used to happen thrice an hour on Ally McBeal.

Boston Legal was worse, though that was a David E. Kelley staple. I only watched Boston Legal because Shatner was so good on it. Then I realized that if you fast forward Alan Shore's soap box rants, the show got a lot better if you weren't uber liberal.
 
I was thinking about where Batman lies because his tough stance on crime would be seen as stereotypical right wing. However he refuses to kill in most versions and hates unchecked power, greed (despite being a billionaire) & corruption.

Right. Batman has been many things over the decades, and he's often been portrayed as standing for progressive and social-justice causes, as in the '40s Superman radio show (where Batman and Robin were recurring guests) or in this public service announcement from the '50s.
 
Just to address Supergirl and what you said specifically, conservatives have no problem with strong empowered women. Why would we? They're kind of awesome. Fighting injustice? We're all for that too.

A gay sister? I know this may come as a shock, but acceptance of gays and gay rights, including gay marriage is NOT liberal only thing.

Yes, the show does have a liberal slant. I do admit that. But that doesn't mean it should overtly shill for the democrat party and demonize Trump the way they did last night.

Of course there are Conservatives voters who have no issue with Gays and Woman but the leaders of your party enact polices that say otherwise and I think the show was having a dig at the party more than citizens of America who are Conservatives. Saying that most the hate speech in regards to woman and defintley the Gay/Bi community does not come from the left.

Batman has been many things over the decades, and he's often been portrayed as standing for progressive and social-justice causes, as in the '40s Superman radio show (where Batman and Robin were recurring guests) or in this public service announcement from the '50s.

That bleeding heart, weak, Commy loving Liberal :hugegrin:
 
Just to try to keep this thread at least somewhat on topic, I do find it interesting how comic book superheroes have evolved over time. There was a time when superheroes were super campy and silly (Adam West's batman for example) and also did PSA about issues all the time as Christopher pointed out. Now it seems that superheroes have to be super dark and serious and never get political.
 
Just to try to keep this thread at least somewhat on topic, I do find it interesting how comic book superheroes have evolved over time. There was a time when superheroes were super campy and silly (Adam West's batman for example) and also did PSA about issues all the time as Christopher pointed out. Now it seems that superheroes have to be super dark and serious and never get political.

My guess on the political point is Disney/Marvel or WB/DC are worried about pissing off too many people and potentially losing out on money. Despite saying that, Marvel in particular have pushed the envelope with new takes that can only be described as progressive in nature with female versions of male characters, gay characters & heroes and minorities playing the likes of Spiderman with Miles Morale.

Personally I prefer the more grounded era of comic book characters in TV & Film but as Marvel shows, you can still do a lot of light hearted stuff but some characters wouldn't work that way of course such as DC's Batman.
 
Now it seems that superheroes have to be super dark and serious and never get political.

Where do you get the idea that superheroes today never get political? On the contrary, a lot of current comics are making strong political statements. Look at Ms. Marvel, giving us a Pakistani Muslim immigrant superhero in a climate when many Americans see such people as enemies. Or Batgirl featuring an ethnically and sexually diverse supporting cast, or Batwoman being one of the most prominent lesbian characters in comics (even if DC's execs chickened out on letting her marry Maggie Sawyer). The original Civil War comics storyline was an allegory about the post-9/11 impositions on civil rights in the name of security. Superhero comics are as political now as they ever were.
 
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