The execution was most certainly not worse. The characters in TFA are very poorly written and things have no grativas (oh no the capital of the republic was just destroyed!!!!!).Ummm.. yeah.... Riiight.
It was more original but the execution was worse. Pick your poison.
The Star Wars problem
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Compared to Jar Jar it was Shakespeare. I mean, I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams but he's a better director of actors than George Lucas. He got wooden performances from actors we know can act. Ewan McGregor's the only one who I think mostly managed to squeak by without giving a bad performance and it felt like he was mostly winging it on his own.
Being a good director of actors is borderline irrelevant to the style of movie SW is. George directed ANH complete with "faster more intense" quality of direction (not to mention THX 1138 and American Graffitti) and people don't yammer about how cheesy those are. (and they are very cheesy. Lines like Leia's "we did it!" would be laughed at if it were in the PT).
I don't see the problem.
The characters made the difference. I actually cared about the characters in TFA whereas TPM lacked any thing that made me feel for the characters.
By the way, ANH's final battle is almost frame for frame "Dambusters" final assault. So, not original.
Oh noosss....! Alderaan was destroyed! Did that have more gravitas? The matte painting?
George had help in ANH, including in the editing and directing. Star Wars also presented as a different vibe than THX 1138 and American Grafitti, so comments, of course, would be different about delivery.
I at least believe Leia's we did it, and Rey and Finn's celebration after escaping the TIEs than the reaction to than similar reactions in TPM. So, it goes to belivability of the characters, which does come back to the direction given to the actors.
I think we have very different criteria for believability as far as characters go.
For instance, Qui-Gon feels very real in the sense that he doesn't break character to quip, and he doesn't feel like he has ADHD like an Abrams character. He is a serious minded Jedi master and he acts like it.
In contrast, look at Finn. He is supposed to be an indoctrinated slave but he acts like a well adjusted but slightly rattled 20-something, not someone who had been indoctrinated from infancy.
I don't think Finn acts well adjusted. He has very emotional reactions, and his emotions are very intense. He decides he doesn't believe in the First Order and he commits escape them.
Number two, I don't casually throw around ADHD. I find that disrespectful. The characters are consistent across TFA, and we have yet to see what the actual consequences will be from their actions in the film.
Finally, I quip all the time. It's my way of coping. Quipping is not character breaking for me-it's part of life.
Explain how he freaks out when his fellow trooper is killed but he is then fine with attacking his former allies and even hoots and hollers while doing it later in the movie?
He found something worth fighting for.
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But his motivation at the beginning was seeing his compatriot suffering. He then goes on to inflict suffering on those same people throughout the movie.
No, that wasn't his motivation. It was his first battle, and he made a decision that he wouldn't kill for the First Order.
But it was his motivation. He gets freaked out because his compatriot died in his arms.
Which he expands upon later was part of his decision to not kill for them. It's not contradictory, he just is explaining his reasons why.
But he has an attack of conceince after seeing his compatriot die. Why would he then be fine with killing tons of them?
That's not what he said. He said he wouldn't kill for the First Order. The shock of battle and the slaughter cemented in his mind that the FO was not worth fighting for.
It's not about killing. It's the cause that pangs his conscience.
Then it's just poor filmmaking, because the way it plays out JJ emphasizes the trooper dying in Finn's arms and repeatedly focuses on the finger blood-painted helmet, including in the scene where he takes his helmet off and hyperventilates.
Agree to disagree then. Once he stated that line to Rey, it made sense to me
It worked for me to.
He also found new compatriots with a cause he believed in to fight alongside with Rey, Han, and Poe.
I had assumed that was just to make it easier to identify him in the crowd of troopers.
