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Do people still believe in Hell?
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On the first pass.
That does rather answer the question though.. Do people still believe in Hell.
Many do, a great many.
A lot of people believe that aliens are flying around the planet in UFOs, doesn't mean they exist. People can believe in all kinds of crazy shit, large numbers doesn't give it legitimacy.
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He wasn't asking about legitimacy he was asking if people still took the concept seriously-I explained that people do.
Man, she sounds nasty.
I dunno, I spend much of my life accepting things because a woman says so,
works out surprisingly often
Correct. Many people take the belief seriously as in some countries they have the freedom to do so. In others not so. However belief, trust and faith are personal truths that once arrived at have usually gone through the gamut of challenge and naysaying. A leap of faith.
I don't get how someone can believe in a black hole or a scientific theory that is provable by what.. seeing it? Oh yeah by an equation. Give me proof I say, I want to see these things before I believe them. Not some bunch of numbers. Science likes to have faith in joining the dots, by the intangible.
Thesis versus Theism.
Of course there are still solipsists and neo-Gnostics out there who think we can't trust science or even what our eyes tell us.
Indeed you have what Paul called a hope for things not seen. You have faith and you shouldn't be ashamed at all.
Sometimes we can't trust what our eyes tell us. Or at least we can't trust what our memory and biases tell us that our eyes saw. Anyone who has worked in the criminal justice system will tell you that eye-witnesses often describe suspects inaccurately.
Yes but I'm making a far broader point than what happens in a courtroom.
Oh good grief, so was I. That was just one example.
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Using numbers I can design a bridge that will stand up against constant weight, pressure, and stress. I can use numbers to calculate a trip to the Moon that will result in the safe return of the astronauts who travel there. We've done it before, we do it now. There is no faith in it, as long as the data is sound. Science and religion are not the same, not on any level except that they both seek answers to questions.
For me the concept of a afterlife isn't just about faith or science but the idea that on some level we can't even trust our own beliefs. I think we humans lie to ourselves without even being fully aware of it so we can make ourselves feel better about our values or maybe help us feel important or give ourselves hope and even help us deal with our fear of death.
Evertime I have a opinion I always wonder exactly were it came from. Is it really the facts or is it some subtle childhood trama making me have that opinion. I think this way of looking at myself helps me to not judge people badly just because they think differently from me but it also has the negative effect of creating trust issue's because it's hard to trust when you don't feel like you even know yourself all that well.
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Evertime I have a opinion I always wonder exactly were it came from. Is it really the facts or is it some subtle childhood trama making me have that opinion. I think this way of looking at myself helps me to not judge people badly just because they think differently from me but it also has the negative effect of creating trust issue's because it's hard to trust when you don't feel like you even know yourself all that well.
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You were making a point about doubt and facts within a certain sphere of society(Law and the courts), I was making a point about general epistemology and reality as we know it.
When a black hole is absorbing matter from a companion star, the matter falling into it becomes superheated and releases x-rays which are visible to x-ray telescopes like so:
I agree science and religion are not the same. Science is limited. Compare creation with what science has made. It's like looking at a robot and a man.
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