Winn no longer works for CatCo, he's a full time DEO employee.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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If Winn can't declare his income, is the IRS going to get him?
The DEO does not exist.
It is beyond secret.
(In theory)
A regular agent is given years to work up a cover identity for fake wages, his position there was severely fast tracked that they may have skipped a few steps.
The DEO does not exist.
It is beyond secret.
(In theory)
A regular agent is given years to work up a cover identity for fake wages, his position there was severely fast tracked that they may have skipped a few steps.
You're thinking way to hard. The DEO obviously has a dummy corporation as a cover. Winn is just another wage slave there.
Kara might know were their could be other possible survivors but i'm not sure how she could no for certain what really happened once she was sent to earth. Also since humans don't have the ability to travel in space and go and search this out i'm not sure if she felt the need to let everyone know about these places. I also wonder if Superman also doesn't really talk much about what is happening out in space for the same reason or maybe they don't talk about because they feel the need to keep some of this stuff a secret for whatever reason. As much as they like humans beings there is a reason why they don't let humanity explore every secret that might exist within the Fortress of Solitude.
Jason
A Kryptonian Handmaid's Tale.
She was 12 years old when Krypton blew up, and she had traveled extensively offworld. If there were an existing Kryptonian expatriate population, she would certainly know of it, just as any 12-year-old American who'd frequently traveled abroad with her family would know that there are plenty of Americans living, working, and traveling in other countries. This is just everyday common sense.
What have human beings got to do with it? They're survivors of a dead planet. If there were others of their own people out there, they'd feel an obligation to find them and reunite them so Kryptonian civilization could survive, the same as Rhea feels obligated to reunite the Daxamite refugees -- and the same as Spock Prime felt obligated to help the surviving Vulcans in the Kelvinverse.
And once more, it doesn't matter how much we speculate about what the answer might be. The problem isn't that we can't think of an answer -- heck, explaining plot holes in an SFTV franchise is a large part of what I do for a living. The problem is that the show's own writers created this inconsistency and have failed to fix it, even though it wouldn't be hard for them to do so. If you ordered a pepperoni and sausage pizza and it came without sausage, you wouldn't defend the cooks' omission and try to cook up your own sausage to put on the pizza -- you'd complain that they made a mistake and demand that they fix it. And you'd be right to, because they're the ones selling the product and you're the consumer, and it's not your responsibility to excuse their shortcomings.
Maybe without extreme vetting, Kryptonian's are bared from any civilized empire's space who doesn't want an individual strolling around like regular people who happens to be more powerful than a Dreadnought.
Even if a vast Imperium has only one system to account which has a yellow star, zero tolerance is better than allowing these "Gods" to walk freely about like WMDs with friendly smiling faces.
Even if a vast Imperium has only one system to account which has a yellow star, zero tolerance is better than allowing these "Gods" to walk freely about like WMDs with friendly smiling faces.
True, but, sometimes I do like to take a Totino's frozen pizza and add some extra cheese, toppings, and spices.
My point in extending your analogy being that for a large portion of the fandom, No Prizing these things and getting into discussions/debates/arguments about them has actually, intentionally or not, become a part of the entertainment product they're paying for.
I once BBQed some Big Mac patties.
Bought the Mac, pulled it apart, cooked the bugger better on an outside propane grill, and then put it back together again. devine. Never underestimate you ability to Barbecue your way to total victory.
Bought the Mac, pulled it apart, cooked the bugger better on an outside propane grill, and then put it back together again. devine. Never underestimate you ability to Barbecue your way to total victory.
My point in extending your analogy being that for a large portion of the fandom, No Prizing these things and getting into discussions/debates/arguments about them has actually, intentionally or not, become a part of the entertainment product they're paying for.
Well, I'm a writer myself, so I approach it from the perspective of what I would do as the one telling the story. So I'm evaluating the decisions made by the creators, rather than just the content of the creation. I'm just holding them to the standards I apply to myself.
Plus, this particular bit of illogic ties right into the core of the origin story. The fundamental idea is that Superman and Supergirl were the last survivors of their race, sent off in tiny ships as a desperation move. Any version of the mythos that gives Krypton active and regular interstellar travel clashes with that on a very basic level, so it's more obtrusive than a more minor inconsistency like, oh, how a bunch of Earth-made microbots are able to physically overpower a Kryptonian and hold her in place. Small plot holes can be fun exercises to fill in, but a massive inconsistency in the foundational premise of the entire series is another matter, especially if the show's own makers go two whole years without ever seeming to notice it.
To me though just because she might know about Krypton colonies or places they use to visit there is no way to know if her people are still out their. She left when she was 12 and for all she knows they might have killed each other since they no longer had a home or maybe other aliens killed them or maybe they still do exist while living in some new kind of makeshift colony.
She might be curious to find out what happened but i'm not sure how she is supose to explore that possibility. I don't think she has a ship like Superman does in "Superman Returns" where she can leave earth and find out. Also if she might feel that it's more important to protect earth than it is to find out if others of her kind have survived or maybe Superman has already figured out the truth and we the audience hasn't been informed.
I think it's possible the writers might have a idea of what fully happened but they don't want to say, because it might be better to keep the idea kind of vague just in case a better story idea comes along and they want to use that instead of what they currently feel is what happened.
Jason
Kryptonians were a peaceful race -- why in the world would she imagined they'd "killed each other?" Have you ever heard of a refugee population that turned on itself and wiped itself out in just a couple of decades? No. Refugee populations band together. They cling to their identity and community even more strongly because it's all they have left. We're seeing that with the Daxamites -- there's no reason to think the Kryptonians would think any differently.
As for "other aliens killed them" -- about 10 percent of the stars in the galaxy are yellow. If there were a Kryptonian diaspora out there, assuming they were spread randomly among the stars, about 10 percent of them would have superpowers and be quite hard to kill. And other refugees would probably head for those same yellow-sun systems once they learned of them. Besides, why would Kryptonians be so hated that others would want to kill them? Sure, the Daxamites found them imperious, but they seem to have been a prominent and respected civilization.
And once more, if there were Kryptonian colonies out there, either pre-existing or formed by refugees, the question is why Clark and Kara haven't tried to find them. Or why the DEO didn't already know about them, given how much intelligence they seem to have about life out in the galaxy. With so much alien refugee traffic to Earth from so many different planets, as we've seen all season, how is it that none of them are Kryptonian?
Colonies are only really necessary if you have too many people.
Sure, forwarding science, yippy!
...But if they controlled their birtrate, there is no scarcity and every one has all the room they need.
Sure, forwarding science, yippy!
...But if they controlled their birtrate, there is no scarcity and every one has all the room they need.
Even if they were a peaceful race that doesn't mean that can't change if their society crumbles. Let's not forget General Zod and his followers are also part of this race so it's not like they can't become something worst and I also always thought that Krypton and it's people got destroyed because they didn't listen to Joral's warnings that it was going to happen.
As for others trying to kill any surviors or refuge's it could be a reflection on the aliens more than the Krypton people. Even here on earth we have countries that don't feel like welcoming refuge's or imigrants because of racist attitude's or fear or any change to their own society.
As for other aliens who get to earth I got to admit I haven't really thought about that. I wonder how so many aliens have gotten to earth on the show. I would think spaceships constantly coming to earth might have been noticed. It's possible that their are other Krypton people already earth and they have felt the need to keep it a secret.
Jason
This goes back, I think, to evidence versus perception, and I personally don't think we have enough evidence to conclusively label this aspect of the SG mythology a "plothole".
Stargate's were super common.
No ships necessary.
On step and you're 18 thousand light years to your left on a foreign world.
1. Supersensitivity. They are bullet proof, but all pain is thousands of times worse for them than us. I suppose pleasure is a thousand times as pleasurable, but I'm guessing that pleasurable sensations hurt too. Lois' lips feel like razor blades brushing against Clark's face, and that's how you know that their love is real.
2. Different sun types give them different powersets. What if one of these powersets they get from a blue or green star is a medium length painful death that starts with their genitals exploding.
(There are no green stars in the regular real universe. I know.)
No ships necessary.
On step and you're 18 thousand light years to your left on a foreign world.
1. Supersensitivity. They are bullet proof, but all pain is thousands of times worse for them than us. I suppose pleasure is a thousand times as pleasurable, but I'm guessing that pleasurable sensations hurt too. Lois' lips feel like razor blades brushing against Clark's face, and that's how you know that their love is real.
2. Different sun types give them different powersets. What if one of these powersets they get from a blue or green star is a medium length painful death that starts with their genitals exploding.
(There are no green stars in the regular real universe. I know.)
Yes, again, that's the whole point. The classic story is that the Kryptonians died out because they had all their eggs in one basket -- they had no means to escape the destruction and didn't listen to Jor-El's urgings that they should develop a means of escape. So if an adaptation establishes that Krypton did have an established means of interstellar travel that it used routinely, that clashes fundamentally with a vital aspect of the origin story.
But every last one of them wiped out in no more than 36 years? Come on.
For the umpteenth time, the plot hole is not about whether it can be reconciled, it's that the writers have gone two years without addressing it at all. The "lack of evidence" is exactly the problem, because the producers have had two years to come up with that "evidence" yet have completely ignored the issue. Obviously any story inconsistency can theoretically be fixed. As I said, I do just that all the time in my profession as a Star Trek author. But that's exactly why I feel the Supergirl producers have dropped the ball by failing to acknowledge and explain this inconsistency.
While I agree they should address what happened I just don't feel it is a big enough of a issue that it has to happen this early in the show. Season 1 Kara is basically her learning about her powers while learning what it means to be a hero and season 2 I feel like has been showing us how diverse earth has become and also a lot of romance.
I kind f wonder if the new show about "Krypton" that is being made also might be one of the reason they haven't done more on this subject. I know they aren't part of the same universe but someone might not one show stepping on the toes of the other show.
Jason
They could've explained it with just a few lines of dialogue if they'd wanted. Say, "Most Kryptonians never left home. We were so advanced and prosperous that others came to us -- and, admittedly, we were kind of intolerant of aliens. My father was just about the only one who still made an effort to travel the stars, and he took me with him so I wouldn't be as hidebound as the rest of my people. But when Jor-El was disgraced, our whole house suffered, and we had to sell off most of our ships. When the end came, all we had left were two single-person pods."
Again, the problem isn't that it's hard to explain -- the problem is that it's easy to explain but they still haven't bothered. A pothole is a pothole until it's filled; so is a plot hole.
Question: did the DEO purposely prevent Kara from learning Kryptonion science (by keeping the pod's artificial inteligence away from her)? If so, shouldn't Clark have given her access to his AI for educational purposes? She doesn't seem very tech savy for someone with access to Kryptonion education (even if she did leave Krypton at age 12 in this incarnation).
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