Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[dahj]

Wait--the citizens fear the Guardian?

He was publicly accused of being a serial killer earlier in the season, even when disproved that sort of accusation tends to stick in some peoples minds.

And if all those Daxamites survived, how come no Kryptonians did beyond the Fort Rozz prisoners and two kids?

Krypton blew up almost instantly, but Daxam didn't blow up at all, it was hit by debris of Krypton and eventually turned into a wasteland which is a process that probably took some time. Even if it only took a few hours it would have been enough time to evacuate at least some of the people.
That only covers why there's more survivors directly from Daxam than from Krypton, but yeah, there is no sensible explanation why there wouldn't be any elsewhere in the universe.

I liked the episode, James' storyline was sweet, Lena's was sad, she really can't catch a break, and when Mon-El said he had to get something, I thought he meant a suit.

Given how Daxamites feel about lead, they seriously picked a wrong planet to invade.

 

[Christopher]

I understand Christopher's argument, but am not sure we can conclusively say that there were no survivors of Krypton outside of Fort Rozz, even if we haven't heard of there being any.

Theoretically, of course not, but I'm talking about how good storytelling works. If you put an inconsistency in your story and you don't explain it, that's a failure of writing. Of course we fans can make up all sorts of hypotheses to explain it, but if we have to do that, that means the writers aren't doing their job to explain it within the actual show. They've introduced this huge plot hole, so it's their responsibility to justify it, and they've made no attempt to do so; instead, they've just compounded the problem over time.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I loved Winn randomly whistle the Super Friend song.

 

[Marc]

when Mon-El said he had to get something, I thought he meant a suit.

yeah had the same thought.

Lena's gonna be pissed though - she get a bang to the head and nobody helps her.

 

[Christopher]

Lena's gonna be pissed though - she get a bang to the head and nobody helps her.

Rhea did have her beamed up at the end; I assume she'll have her crew see to Lena's medical care.

And hey, at least Lena didn't have a lab accident that burned off all her hair...

 

[tenmei]

Perhaps the Kryptonian High Council called a census, so everyone was on-planet at the time?

Maybe Zor-El was part of a comparatively small group of people who did travel off-world at that point - maybe there are other survivors outside of Clark and Kara and the others on Fort R'ozz. But - it's perfectly possible that they're out there and we've not met them. Do we even know how much time passed between Kryptons destruction and the present? Am guessing a minimum of 29/30 years given Tyler Hoechlin's age, so maybe the survivors (if any) thought there were no other survivors and decided to set up 'New Krypton' elsewhere, thinking they were alone.

There are plenty of possible explanations, it doesn't need to be a flaw.

 

[dahj]

Lena's gonna be pissed though - she get a bang to the head and nobody helps her.

Yeah, about that, she got knocked out after Kara and Mon-El made their entrance, surely she recognized "Mike", right? Or is the show fully committed to pretending glasses are the ultimate disguise?

 

[Christopher]

Perhaps the Kryptonian High Council called a census, so everyone was on-planet at the time?

That would only explain the presence of Kryptonian citizens, not colony populations. My ancestors came from England on my father's side and Scotland on my mother's, but that doesn't mean I have to go to the UK when they conduct a census.

There are plenty of possible explanations, it doesn't need to be a flaw.

Yes, of course there are explanations. It's easy to come up with explanations. But that's exactly why it's a flaw -- because it would've been easy for the writers to give us an explanation by now, but they haven't. It could be explained in a few lines of dialogue, but they haven't even tried. That's lazy writing. It's not our job to do their job for them.

More importantly, it's a missed opportunity. Stories come from answering questions. The question "Why did a starflight-capable Krypton have no offworld presence?" is one that could have an interesting answer, that could allow expanding the worldbuilding of Krypton in an interesting or useful way. As long as they ignore that the question even exists, they're missing a chance to tell a story.

 

[Jayson1]

That would only explain the presence of Kryptonian citizens, not colony populations. My ancestors came from England on my father's side and Scotland on my mother's, but that doesn't mean I have to go to the UK when they conduct a census.




Yes, of course there are explanations. It's easy to come up with explanations. But that's exactly why it's a flaw -- because it would've been easy for the writers to give us an explanation by now, but they haven't. It could be explained in a few lines of dialogue, but they haven't even tried. That's lazy writing. It's not our job to do their job for them.

More importantly, it's a missed opportunity. Stories come from answering questions. The question "Why did a starflight-capable Krypton have no offworld presence?" is one that could have an interesting answer, that could allow expanding the worldbuilding of Krypton in an interesting or useful way. As long as they ignore that the question even exists, they're missing a chance to tell a story.

I was thinking that it might be possible that they simply want to keep up the mystery of possible future Kryptionans out there for possible future storylines.
If they said their were survivors living on some space station in what amounts to a throwaway line that could bite them in the butt if next season they decided they wanted a new explanation because it might have a bigger impact on a story they plan on doing.

Jason

 

[Snaploud]

"So, you're not only a masked vigilante and a photographer, you're also a child psychiatrist now."

He is also supposedly CEO of a worldwide media conglomerate...not that anybody seems to remember for more than 5 seconds at a time.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Does Winn have a sweetheart deal where cat co pays him to work for the DEO, and the DEO pays him to work for the DEO, because for some reason he needs a "secret identity" or has he just taken 80 sick days in a row?

 

[Christopher]

I was thinking that it might be possible that they simply want to keep up the mystery of possible future Kryptionans out there for possible future storylines.

Except this is something that wouldn't be a mystery to the characters. Kara herself had personally traveled offworld multiple times in her childhood. If such travel were routine for Kryptonians, she would know about that, and she would've already been interested in seeking out possible survivors. So it's an inconsistency in terms of the characters' own knowledge, motivation, and actions.

 

[Tuskin38]

I loved Winn randomly whistle the Super Friend song.

I missed that!

 

[Christopher]

"So, you're not only a masked vigilante and a photographer, you're also a child psychiatrist now."

He is also supposedly CEO of a worldwide media conglomerate...not that anybody seems to remember for more than 5 seconds at a time.

Yeah, I was wondering how he had time to hang around at the DEO after the headquarters of the company he ran had just been trashed. He would've had about a thousand CatCo-related crises demanding his attention at that point.


By the way, Brian Cronin of Comic Book Resources was kind enough to spend over a year researching a question I asked him about just when Jimmy Olsen, Cub Reporter became Jimmy Olsen, Photographer:

http://www.cbr.com/jimmy-olsen-photographer-superman/

As I thought, it was apparently an invention of the 1978 Richard Donner movie, although, surprisingly, it didn't become Jimmy's job in the comics until 1991 or so.

 

[DigificWriter]

Do we even know how much time passed between Kryptons destruction and the present?

Yes. As of the beginning of Season 2, Krypton's destruction occurred 36 years ago.

Am guessing a minimum of 29/30 years given Tyler Hoechlin's age,

The character of Clark Kent is significantly older than Tyler Hoechlin. Clark is 36, whereas Tyler is 30.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Clark in the '78 Movie, was 10 years older than Lois, we saw her as a tiny little girl in a train getting slapped by her mother for lying about seeing a speedster outracing the train, even though on the books he must have lied about his age to pass for human, when he got his job at the Planet... Since she's a seasoned reporter, and this is his first job.

Kryptonians must mature a fraction slower than humans?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

He was publicly accused of being a serial killer earlier in the season, even when disproved that sort of accusation tends to stick in some peoples minds.

Blink of an eye plot, since the Guardian was back to running around with no one screaming about his activities or presence. This "fear" reaction was (like so many plots on this show) forced all to have James question himself, when he was quite happy fighting crime with Winn up to this point.

"So, you're not only a masked vigilante and a photographer, you're also a child psychiatrist now."

He is also supposedly CEO of a worldwide media conglomerate...not that anybody seems to remember for more than 5 seconds at a time.

No, the job--and his various skillsets are often kicked to the backburner, much like the character overall. Despite his known abilities, the character is reduced to a child playing dress-up--treated as much by J'onn, who--by the way--is not a psychiatrist, either. Mind reading gives no insight into personal motivations, beliefs, etc., James was made to take the crap from everyone in this unjustified, slapped together "Make James relevant" plot.

 

[Phoenix219]

Anyone catch the Batman reference?

 

[Christopher]

Anyone catch the Batman reference?

Yes, I mentioned it in my comments yesterday.

 

[Tosk]

we saw her as a tiny little girl in a train getting slapped by her mother for lying about seeing a speedster outracing the train

No slap. You're conflating Lois with the cat-in-a-tree little girl.