Dilithium isn't a fuel source, it's a crystal which regulates the M/AM reaction. Even if it began to decrystalise they could always attemp re-crystalisation. Are you sure you don't mean dueterium?
Biggest problem with "Voyager" is that they didn't really take any chances.
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Dilithium isn't a fuel source, it's a crystal which regulates the M/AM reaction. Even if it began to decrystalise they could always attemp re-crystalisation. Are you sure you don't mean dueterium?
Yep you're right, my bad. It was deuterium. Either was they have to go to grey mode because they are critically low. That's what leads them to the demon planet
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I know that the technobabble can be a bit overwhelming on Voyager sometimes, but if you parse through it, it becomes clear that by the 24th century deuterium is used as one of the key ingredients in hair dye. If they hadn't made it to the demon planet in time, Chakotay would have looked like this:
It would have been nice for there to be some consequences or tension of trying to decide what parts of the ship get power more often than once or twice.
The problem is that it's pretty easy for people with their level of tech to get the resources they need. If they run low on power, just go to the nearest star (which Space has a LOT of) and siphon energy from there.
Deuterium? That stuff is everywhere.
This is what makes the "Lost Ship" thing not very viable for the Trekverse. It only really works when you deal with an empty Universe like in NuBSG.
Deuterium? That stuff is everywhere.
This is what makes the "Lost Ship" thing not very viable for the Trekverse. It only really works when you deal with an empty Universe like in NuBSG.
Then the premise of VOY was flawed from the get go.
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R "Shut up and watch the show." comes up again 
I'd have to go back and check....but finding Amelia Earheart and the 37s is another example....being able to tap into a Borg drone from Earth? (Seven). Finding the USS Equinox? The statistical probability of that one alone is like...naw couldn't happen. Going into Earth's past with Future's End. There are probably more. I don't have a problem with the eps that link back to the Alpha Quadrant in some way, but when you add in Flashback or Message In A Bottle, the series sometimes felt like it did not get that far away from Alpha Quadrant.
Don't get me wrong, though. I am a Voyager fan.
I think I've got one for you.Then the premise of VOY was flawed from the get go.
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What was the premise of Star Trek: Voyager?
? If that was meant for me...I'll keep you informed if I find any...
I was originally just limited the hunt to generalizations. A "logical fallacy" hunt in a fandom quarrel can get mighty muddlesome.
I've been thinking about this debate and people have made some good points about "Voyager" on both sides of the argument.
I might be wrong but I think the big issue might be less on specifics such as starfleet/maquis conflict or searching for supplies but the feeling the show didn't really feel like it evolved much beyond it's original setting.
I think the general idea is that people would have like some progression were you can watch a season 4 ep and season 5 and notice which season they are in because of changes that happened between season 4 and season 5.
For example over time we could see a physcial transition of the sets were you start seeing things not work so well because the tech is being worn out or alien tech that has been used to replace Starfleet tech.
YOu could see people starting to give up on the idea of getting home and you would see people start to have families and maybe some people would even want to leave and settle down somewhere.
Characters could gain new arc's that they didn't start off with. Maybe someone gets a terminal illness and it doesn't go away at the end of a hour or maybe you don't kill Tuvik but keep him instead of Tuvok and Neelix. Plus I think everyone would have loved the "Year of Hell" story for a season or how about doing one season were they get home and actually stay for maybe 8 episode's and for some reason have to return to the Delta Quadrant.
They did make some changes such as making Paris/Torres a couple and adding Seven of Nine but it seems they could go even farther with the concept.
Jason
I might be wrong but I think the big issue might be less on specifics such as starfleet/maquis conflict or searching for supplies but the feeling the show didn't really feel like it evolved much beyond it's original setting.
I think the general idea is that people would have like some progression were you can watch a season 4 ep and season 5 and notice which season they are in because of changes that happened between season 4 and season 5.
For example over time we could see a physcial transition of the sets were you start seeing things not work so well because the tech is being worn out or alien tech that has been used to replace Starfleet tech.
YOu could see people starting to give up on the idea of getting home and you would see people start to have families and maybe some people would even want to leave and settle down somewhere.
Characters could gain new arc's that they didn't start off with. Maybe someone gets a terminal illness and it doesn't go away at the end of a hour or maybe you don't kill Tuvik but keep him instead of Tuvok and Neelix. Plus I think everyone would have loved the "Year of Hell" story for a season or how about doing one season were they get home and actually stay for maybe 8 episode's and for some reason have to return to the Delta Quadrant.
They did make some changes such as making Paris/Torres a couple and adding Seven of Nine but it seems they could go even farther with the concept.
Jason
They're lost, far away from home, with two conflicting ideologies among the crew. Some members actively hate each other, so there will be conflict. At it's core is a can their values survive as they try to survive when resources are limited, including shuttles and torpedoes and they have a hostile alien race pursing them for their technology.
Which, sadly, is only really viable for one or two seasons. After that it just gets repetitive. Especially knowing that they'll never make it home before the shows ends otherwise it would mess up DS9's storyline too much.
And the crews couldn't stay antagonistic for 7 years straight, because that's just silly. DS9 had Sisko in conflict with Kira and Odo, and resolved it within ONE season to no complaints. Voyager's situation was one wherein anyone sane would realize that fighting against the only familiar faces around while everyone else wants to kill you would be a bad idea.
Now, if they had waited until DS9 was over and thus had complete access to the rest of the Trekverse instead of being stuck on their own then they could wrap up the opening plot a season or two in and have something big and cool like a big Galactic Invasion that threatens the Alpha Quadrant as well so Voyager has to get the Delta Aliens to work together to stop it.
One minor peeve is that they contacted earth long before they actually made it home in the finale-just doing that took a lot of wind out of the fear of not getting home. They were advertising that they were pretty much almost home. Getting letters, two way communication, I thought they were trying to create the suspense of not getting home?
As far frequent contact with the Alpha Quadrant--there was the contact with Barclay, the Doctor actually visited his creator, A Starfleet judge ruled on the doctor's novel or something-- we all know they were going eventually make it home, but with all that contact it was like they were practically there already anyway.
The finale itself starts off with them home already. So the suspense was ruined from the start. We waited all that time to see how the crew would react when they finally reached home, and it just stopped like that. I watched it, but it was just sort of a let down.
Even Garrett Wang said he didn't really care for the finale, lol.
As far frequent contact with the Alpha Quadrant--there was the contact with Barclay, the Doctor actually visited his creator, A Starfleet judge ruled on the doctor's novel or something-- we all know they were going eventually make it home, but with all that contact it was like they were practically there already anyway.
The finale itself starts off with them home already. So the suspense was ruined from the start. We waited all that time to see how the crew would react when they finally reached home, and it just stopped like that. I watched it, but it was just sort of a let down.
Even Garrett Wang said he didn't really care for the finale, lol.
You would find that utterly impossible let's get real, lol. Why enjoy something when trashing and flaming is more fun?Then the premise of VOY was flawed from the get go.
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Unfortunately DS9 didn't end soon enough, that was a problem I agree.
Culminating with a bad ass Borg Invasion that unifies former Alpha Quadrant enemies and brings all the previous 24th century Trek actors into the fold for an epic TV wrap up / tribute to Trek before switching up the style and status quo *completely* for a PROPER prequel show, that may or may not have been called Enterprise.
One can dream, eh?
