I think Doctor Crusher might be a creep.

[Tosk]

I hate to say it, but Beverly is a creep.

She gets into it with a patient named Odan, and after he transfers into the body of Will Riker, a man she only ever considered a friend, she waffles at first but ultimately ends up sleeping with him. She uses Riker's body for her own purposes, even knowing that he has no say over his actions while Odan is in control. And then when Odan transferred into another new body, one that she didn't want to sleep with, she ended it.

She starts reading her Nana's diary on the very day she went into the ground, and creepily gets all hot and bothered reading about her grandmother's lover. She tells Deanna that she hopes to also find a thirty year old lover when she's 100, like her Nana did. Worse yet, when she meets Nana's lover in the flesh, she starts up a sexual relationship with him immediately.

And there is of course, the "is she interested or not" thing with Picard. She can't make up her mind whether or not to sleep with, of all people...her dead husband's best friend. Gross.

 

[Herbert]

Maybe Crusher and LaForge should have hooked up

 

[Michael]

I hate to say it, but Beverly is a creep.

She gets into it with a patient named Odan, and after he transfers into the body of Will Riker, a man she only ever considered a friend, she waffles at first but ultimately ends up sleeping with him. She uses Riker's body for her own purposes, even knowing that he has no say over his actions while Odan is in control. And then when Odan transferred into another new body, one that she didn't want to sleep with, she ended it.

She starts reading her Nana's diary on the very day she went into the ground, and creepily gets all hot and bothered reading about her grandmother's lover. She tells Deanna that she hopes to also find a thirty year old lover when she's 100, like her Nana did. Worse yet, when she meets Nana's lover in the flesh, she starts up a sexual relationship with him immediately.

And there is of course, the "is she interested or not" thing with Picard. She can't make up her mind whether or not to sleep with, of all people...her dead husband's best friend. Gross.

I see what you did there.

(At least I think I do.)

 

[Triskelion]

Funny how they stand up for humanoid rights as an intrinsic definition. You know, if you're a smart robot. Yet when it comes to carrying a pregnancy to term, it's just a matter-of-fact choice - easy as pie to overlook any rights of the baby growing inside of Troi, and just assume that the moral dilemma has somehow miraculously been resolved by the 24th century. (More gloss). So...rights aren't intrinsic, they are assigned. Good to know.

And then there's the Prime Directive, which doesn't even bother with the rights of an entire intelligent species to survive if it means lifting a finger to help. I mean - it's all so cozy. To be ensconced in the velvet of moral righteousness, but not to have to self-examine too deeply. Well, what do you expect for someone who slaps their own child around.

Oh yes, let's not forget overlooking Geordi's sabotaged VISOR in Insurrection, a Trill symbiont running loose on the ship, her jeopardizing the ship with her scarlet moss obsession, and her violation of her own medical oath when she inflicted pain on Q's backside. Countless oversights of things like Conspiracy parasites, Geordi's other VISOR sabotage by the Romulans, getting the first Ferengi scientist killed and doing untold damage to the Dominion War effort; overlooking Amanda Q's Qness, Picard's doppleganger in Allegience, or basic Edo law getting her son almost killed, knowing what a doofus he was - before eventually sending him off to live in other dimensions without so much as a background check on the Traveler.

Never minding her pro-terrorist message in The Hunted. Nice. [EDIT: The High Ground. Thanks USS Triumphant!]


- And do NOT get me started on Spot!

(He upsets my neutered comfort dog Dander Girl).

 

[USS Triumphant]

She uses Riker's body for her own purposes, even knowing that he has no say over his actions while Odan is in control.

Definitely creep behavior, and the only thing I'll say in any measure of defense is that everyone knows Riker is a whore. He makes no secret of it, grins about it, and would probably sex any member of the crew, male or female, at a simple request. And I mean, he's always putting his crotch in the face of whomever is sitting at the forward consoles (especially Ops), whether they want it there or not.

And there is of course, the "is she interested or not" thing with Picard. She can't make up her mind whether or not to sleep with, of all people...her dead husband's best friend. Gross.

Following along with the rest of what is being said in this thread, I'm just going to go ahead and allege that she didn't even find Picard slightly attractive UNTIL he sent her husband to his death.

Funny how they stand up for humanoid rights as an intrinsic definition. You know, if you're a smart robot. Yet when it comes to carrying a pregnancy to term, it's just a matter-of-fact choice - easy as pie to overlook any rights of the baby growing inside of Troi, and just assume that the moral dilemma has somehow miraculously been resolved by the 24th century.

I'd like to think that this problem WILL be resolved, and well before the 24th century, by tech: improved birth control, improved medical treatments for mother and baby both, and artificial womb options that allow expanded options for full recognition of the baby and/or the father's rights, without impinging unreasonably on those of the mother. (Requiring a mother to carry a baby she did not or does not want to full term violates her rights unreasonably, IMO - but beaming or safely transplanting the baby directly into a fully functional artificial womb? Hopefully not so much.)

So...rights aren't intrinsic, they are assigned. Good to know.

But all of that said, yes, this was definitely problematical. IF you take Trek as allegorical. If you take it as fiction trying to show a scenario in a relatively realistic fashion, then perhaps given the rest of what we saw regarding the power of the state over individuals in the 24th century, that just fits right in?

Never minding her pro-terrorist message in The Hunted. Nice.

I think you mean "The High Ground".
I didn't really take it as pro-terrorist, so much as just recognizing that people who commit horrible, even terrorist acts are still people - they deserve medical care, basic human dignity, and even a chance for redemption if it is within a society's means while maintaining public safety. (Obviously, such people don't always ALLOW society to even try to do those things - but that doesn't mean we should decide they shouldn't even be on the table, because of that.)

 

[velour]

Maybe Crusher and LaForge should have hooked up

She definitely should have hooked up with Bashir. Or why not with Bashir and LaForge at the same time, menage a crusher.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

She uses Riker's body for her own purposes, even knowing that he has no say over his actions while Odan is in control.

Yep, I'd say this is creepy.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I guess it depends whether Beverly would have had any reason to be sure Riker was on board with it, and if Trill symbiosis was known or not to be as symbiotic as it is in DS9.

As for The Child, I disagree that this proves moral value is 'assigned'. It more likely means 'personhood' has been linked to sapience and capability of reasoning.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

If this is a parody of all the "Did x character commit sexual harassment" threads that have been popping up lately, then well done.

And I mean, he's always putting his crotch in the face of whomever is sitting at the forward consoles (especially Ops), whether they want it there or not.

Riker wanted to find out how "fully functional" Data really was and kept sticking his crotch in his face even though poor Data clearly wasn't interested. Total sexual harassment on the part of Riker that undermines Star Trek's entire message.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

If this is a parody of all the "Did x character commit sexual harassment" threads that have been popping up lately, then well done.

Women can commit sexual harrasment as well. Personally I think it's great that these ideas are being discussed in a public forum.

 

[Triskelion]

I guess it depends whether Beverly would have had any reason to be sure Riker was on board with it, and if Trill symbiosis was known or not to be as symbiotic as it is in DS9.

As for The Child, I disagree that this proves moral value is 'assigned'. It more likely means 'personhood' has been linked to sapience and capability of reasoning.

I see, so the thing inside Troi's body was neither sapient nor capable of reason. Sure had a lot to say, though. And isn't "linked" here just a synonym for "assigned"? Anyway, thank Zod it wasn't an exocomp or someone might have interjected a philosophical question mark when the Doc proposed her easy solution.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Every doctor in Star Trek is a creep, apparently.

 

[stardream]

Every doctor in Star Trek is a creep, apparently.

The Doctor and Seven...just look at the clothes he gave her to wear! Major Creep.

 

[MadeIndescribable]

The Doctor and Seven...just look at the clothes he gave her to wear! Major Creep.

Wasn't that explained away was medical grade fabric which helped her skin heal after so many years of being borgified? The justification of giving her a figure hugging cat suit is "because science".

 

[Tosk]

Definitely creep behavior, and the only thing I'll say in any measure of defense is that everyone knows Riker is a whore. He makes no secret of it, grins about it, and would probably sex any member of the crew, male or female, at a simple request.

In other words, he has agreed to sex before, so there's no need for consent this time? I'm not sure that's a good defense for what Crusher did.

I guess it depends whether Beverly would have had any reason to be sure Riker was on board with it, and if Trill symbiosis was known or not to be as symbiotic as it is in DS9.

She did know, Odan explains it specifically. When he is in a host's body, the host is nothing but a vessel. It's all Odan, all the time. So Riker's body was basically just a sex toy for her.

If this is a parody of all the "Did x character commit sexual harassment" threads that have been popping up lately, then well done.

Not a parody (or at least, not completely ), but certainly a reaction to them. It's important to keep in mind that there are a lot of preconceptions about sexual inappropriateness, one of them being that only males can be guilty of it. Just because it's an attractive woman doing it, doesn't mean it is any more acceptable.

 

[Phoenix219]

And things like this are why I always preferred Pulaski.....

 

[USS Triumphant]

In other words, he has agreed to sex before, so there's no need for consent this time? I'm not sure that's a good defense for what Crusher did.

No, I'm saying that he's outright told everyone that he's always down to clown, any time, anywhere. So she already had consent. (To be clear for the pedants, I'm not citing canon. I'm speculating, and also, I kind of hate Riker because of what he put Miles through fooling around with Keiko. )

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

No, I'm saying that he's outright told everyone that he's always down to clown, any time, anywhere. So she already had consent. (To be clear for the pedants, I'm not citing canon. I'm speculating, and also, I kind of hate Riker because of what he put Miles through fooling around with Keiko. )

 

[Tosk]

No, I'm saying that he's outright told everyone that he's always down to clown, any time, anywhere.

Ah, gotcha! Riker said that he's always up for sex no matter what.

...So Crusher then had sex with his body while he was unconscious. Totally cool.

 

[Prax]

Ah, gotcha! Riker said that he's always up for sex no matter what.

...So Crusher then had sex with his body while he was unconscious. Totally cool.

And there's another creep in this situation-Troy. When Odan(now as the Rikernator) is trying to get some from Crusher, she's pretty repulsed. That's when Troy steps in and is like "go to him...he needs you...GO TO HIM...ITS OKAY...DO IT...DO IT NOW...NOW, BEVERLY, Damn it!(I'm paraphrasing, of course)

Someone's going to have to start another thread now.