Do people still believe in Hell?

[Voth commando1]

Let me ask you something are you religious or are you not yet you feel entitled to assume what religious people believe or think.

There are people who have claimed dreams, and visions, people whose lives where in utter shambles before they became religious, people like that don't have doubt issues.

Some people would take offense to your patronizing "I know what they must really think" attitude.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Episcopalians, Anglicans, Lutherans(the vast majority),Presbyterians, and the other traditional American protestant denominations adopted positions and practices that were in pretty much direct contrivance of doctrine, biblical mores, and engaged in flat out idolatry.

lulz.

Nope.

 

[Amaris]

The Episcopalians, Anglicans, Lutherans(the vast majority),Presbyterians, and the other traditional American protestant denominations adopted positions and practices that were in pretty much direct contrivance of doctrine, biblical mores, and engaged in flat out idolatry.

The appointment of atheists to the pulpit, total capitulation on issues of sexuality, worshipping the "mother goddess", inclusivism, abandoning hope in the second coming among other indicators.

Cited sources, please. As it stands, this sounds like the same material I used to read in the Jack Chick tracts we would pass out, or leave in bathrooms.

 

[Jayson1]

Let me ask you something are you religious or are you not yet you feel entitled to assume what religious people believe or think.

There are people who have claimed dreams, and visions, people whose lives where in utter shambles before they became religious, people like that don't have doubt issues.

Some people would take offense to your patronizing "I know what they must really think" attitude.

I'm agnostic who thinks a God is possible. There are things that make me think this but there also things that make me think I might be wrong. It's one thing to have a opinion but another to elevate it as some grand truth because nobody can possibly know.

Also I'm not saying it's a bad thing to believe in a religion because like you said it does help people. To me though it's kind of like hope. No matter how bad a person's life is I think most people still have hope for a better future or hope for their dreams to come true. In reality a lot of that stuff never happens but at least hope gives people something to believe in other than constant despair.
I also think we sometimes lie to ourself when we look at ourselves. We sort of ignore are own flaws or suppress aspects of ourselves that we just don't like having.
I think the main thing is I just don't think most people really understand even themselves all that well. I'm 41 years old and even I don't understand me all that well. Everthing I think I almost wonder what motivates that thought or opinion and sometimes I don't have a answer and if the answer was something I didn't like I would proably try and ignore it.
What you seem to be talking about is people having perfect clarity and to me that just doesn't seem possible with human beings.

Jason

 

[Voth commando1]

lulz.

Nope.

Everything I said was true.

If your not part of the church and your not religious then you simply can't understand why those things were so.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Everything I said was true.

If your not part of the church and your not religious then you simply can't understand why those things were so.

Prove it. Truth is always truth, you don't need to have certain beliefs to see it. Truth will always be self evident. Having cultish thinking doesn't give you superpowers.

 

[Voth commando1]

No and it's not "cultish" but if your not part of it you can't understand why those within believe and act the way they do.

The Bible even discusses this-Paul in his letters remarks that worldly people can't understand the mindset and attitudes of Christians-they are "set apart".

If your not part of it, then you simply can't grasp it.

 

[Amaris]

Everything I said was true.

If your not part of the church and your not religious then you simply can't understand why those things were so.

Cite sources, please, because at this point your posts sound like a Chick tract. I'm an atheist now, but I was a Non-Denominational Christian minister for well over a decade. I've heard all of the terminology, know all of the thinking process that goes into these statements, and the conditioning people receive to believe that their path, and only their path, is the true way to salvation. So please, cite your sources.

 

[Voth commando1]

Cite sources, please, because at this point your posts sound like a Chick tract. I'm an atheist now, but I was a Non-Denominational Christian minister for well over a decade. I've heard all of the terminology, know all of the thinking process that goes into these statements, and the conditioning people receive to believe that their path, and only their path, is the true way to salvation. So please, cite your sources.

I'm not inclined to take your alleged past belief seriously(your probably lying to throw me off balance in the debate) but whatever.

Virtue Online(orthodox Anglicans), got questions.org, Charisma News, Carm.org, and dozens of other websites. Plenty of books but I'm too tired at the moment to find enough.

If you are telling the truth(you probably aren't but I'll throw you the benefit of the doubt) then you are apostate and you know very well what that means. If so, then I simply don't respect anything you have to say.

As for one and only path-that's in multiple New Testament passages, passages that were not challenged or ignored until the last fifty years.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Everything I said was true.

Another lie.

If your [sic] not part of the church and your [you're] not religious then you simply can't [couldn't] understand why those things were [of course, you mean are] so.

And what if I were, say, Episcopalian? I would be part of that church and religious and still disbelieve you. So, you've told yet another lie.

It's really a damn shame how so many people think that they have a corner on religious truth.

 

[Awesome Possum]

No and it's not "cultish" but if your not part of it you can't understand why those within believe and act the way they do.

The Bible even discusses this-Paul in his letters remarks that worldly people can't understand the mindset and attitudes of Christians-they are "set apart".

If your not part of it, then you simply can't grasp it.

I was part of it, I was raised Southern Baptist.

 

[Tribble puncher]

This is a subject of great interest to me, The afterlife. Hell to me is exactly as the OP described, It's a concept of punishment and suffering so great that no mortal could render it, therefore it's a source of comfort to those who believe in it so that the universe will be "fair" to them.

Heaven, the only way it could work is to remove all concept of the linear passage of time, our minds were not built for eternity, and as another poster said, our personalities are as much our flaws as they are our strengths, we would cease to be us. and we would probably actually all be identical if we were all "perfect".

My belief is, since we existed, we will have always existed, no one can erase your existence, maybe no one remembers you after you died, but you will have always existed, it's recorded somewhere in the fabric of spacetime, therefore by having simply existed, you are Immortal in a sense.

 

[Voth commando1]

Hell according to Christian Doctrine was originally a fate for the Devil and his angels, human beings go there as a result of rejecting Jesus.

 

[Voth commando1]

Another lie.


And what if I were, say, Episcopalian? I would be part of that church and religious and still disbelieve you. So, you've told yet another lie.

It's really a damn shame how so many people think that they have a corner on religious truth.

John 14:6 " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life no one comes to the Father except through me". There is either one true religion or none.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

John 14:6 " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life no one comes to the Father except through me". There is either one true religion or none.

Yeah, somehow I knew you would go there.

But, you're wrong. That doesn't mean that there is only one true religion. It means that there is only one true Savior. If you can't tell the difference there, well, too bad for you.

It really is a shame that some denominations of Christianity see inclusiveness as a fault. Jesus was a really inclusive guy, and quite forgiving.

But you know what? My beliefs are between me and my conscience. I'm not going to waste my time trying to get you to see the light; as long as you keep your beliefs where they belong, which is out of my life, I really don't give a fuck what you believe.

 

[JeffinOakland]

John 14:6 " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life no one comes to the Father except through me". There is either one true religion or none.

This is pretty much it. Jesus summed it up perfectly. They can't all be true. All the westernized softening of religions aside, the simple fact is that you can't accept two different religions as "true" because no two religions are compatible. Either Jesus was the son of the biblical god or he wasn't . Muhammed was the one true prophet or he wasn't. Either the Hindu gods exist or they don't. And so on.

 

[thestrangequark]

I'm not inclined to take your alleged past belief seriously(your probably lying to throw me off balance in the debate) but whatever.

When I met @Coloratura he was still a minister. He is not lying to you.

There are people who have claimed dreams, and visions, people whose lives where in utter shambles before they became religious, people like that don't have doubt issues.

I do not doubt this is true.
But there are also people whose lives were in utter shambles before they left religion, people who were beat down by the intolerance, the bigotry, and the hatred, and who found liberation, peace, and goodness in the abandonment of belief.

Yours is not the only path.

 

[Voth commando1]

This is pretty much it. Jesus summed it up perfectly. They can't all be true. All the westernized softening of religions aside, the simple fact is that you can't accept two different religions as "true" because no two religions are compatible. Either Jesus was the son of the biblical god or he wasn't . Muhammed was the one true prophet or he wasn't. Either the Hindu gods exist or they don't. And so on.

Thank you a fellow voice of reason.

 

[thestrangequark]

Or they're all wrong and there is no real religion.

 

[JeffinOakland]

Or they're all wrong and there is no real religion.

Exactly. There are three possibilities.
1. One of the religions already thought of is true.
2. A religion no human has thought of is true.
3. No religion is true because there is no such thing as a supreme being.