DC launching digital service with Titans and Young Justice
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Whatever they do with Starfire, I just hope they don't give her some kind of disguise so they only have to paint her orange in fight scenes. I can totally see them giving her some device as a "secret identity" that makes her look like a normal human, but I hope they just go for normal Starfire. Maybe that's a bit paranoid, since many shows have had actors who spend years on the show wearing a lot more involved make up then Starfire would need (Star Trek had a lot of that, although Starfire would need more body painted regularly because she generally has more exposed skin then someone like Data or Garak).
Still, something like that would be a very "CW" move, and I hope they don't go that direction. I also hope they either get a tall actress or use tricks to make her seem taller (like they do with Tom cruise), since her being taller then Nightwing has always been a thing.
Of course that's just physical stuff, if the writing isn't good nothing else really matters, but with the people involved I think the writing will be at least ok.
Still, something like that would be a very "CW" move, and I hope they don't go that direction. I also hope they either get a tall actress or use tricks to make her seem taller (like they do with Tom cruise), since her being taller then Nightwing has always been a thing.
Of course that's just physical stuff, if the writing isn't good nothing else really matters, but with the people involved I think the writing will be at least ok.
I don't think Goldsman is going to rewrite the script/treatment he already created (since the articles I read credited him as having WRITTEN [past tense] the Pilot), at least in its entirety. If Gar is joining the lineup, the existing stuff will likely be adjusted to fit his inclusion, or they might just introduce him in the second episode.
We'll see what they do, though.
Whyever wouldn't he? Rewriting is a normal and routine part of the creative process. You keep changing things over and over and over again, trying to improve the work as much as you can, until it's finally released. As the saying goes, "Art is never finished, only abandoned." This pilot was rejected by TNT, so of course Goldsman would rewrite it, because that's what you do when a story gets rejected -- you learn from the experience, ideally get a sense of why it was rejected, and revise it to correct those problems. And once it got picked up by a new outlet, surely that outlet's executives would have their own notes to offer, leading to further revisions. That is the way it always works.
I rewrite my own stories all the time. I often have to rewrite my original stories multiple times before I get them to a point where they're good enough to sell. In one I've just been working on, I realized my original opening scenes had too many problems, so I rewrote them into something very different. The most recent story I sold to Analog was a top-to-bottom rewrite of an old, unsold story, keeping the basic premise but changing the course of the story into something radically different. And when I sell my stories, I often have to do further revisions and modifications under the editors' guidance, which is part of the process of refining them. Rewriting is not some imposition to resist; it's a necessary part of making a story as good as it can be. Nobody who resists rewriting one's work could ever become a professional writer to begin with.
I think the bigger concern would be what kind of costume they're going to give her. The character has had some ridiculously skimpy costumes at times, which was infamously taken to an extreme in the early New 52. If they're smart they'll just go with the costume from her recent solo series, which is pretty much her least ridiculous one she's ever had.
Personally, I kinda like her costume from JLA/Titans (1998) and the follow-up Titans series. https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.ne..._Titans.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100524004321
TV/movie superheroine costumes are almost always more practical than their comics counterparts, with occasional exceptions like Psylocke in X-Men Apocalypse or the Halle Berry Catwoman. Arrow's Black Canary never wore fishnets. ScarJo's Black Widow doesn't run around with her catsuit unzipped to the navel. The TV version of Witchblade's Sara Pezzini normally wore street clothes, and when the Witchblade did manifest as body armor, it was an actual full suit of medieval armor rather than the comic's metallic-organic encrustations on an otherwise nude body.
I think Starfire's costume from the animated series is a pretty good design -- basically a cutoff tank top, skirt, and thigh-high boots, pretty basic and functional. Although if they did go with a skirt, it'd probably be a tennis-dress type of skirt like the TV Supergirl wears, with integrated briefs/shorts underneath.
I kind of like the idea of using an effect like the Iron Fist for Starfire
Yeah, I assumed they'd use a costume like her recent solo costume, or something like the one Shamrock Holmes posted. I kind of assumed the costume would be fine, the CW tv shows have done a fairly good job of mixing the comic suits with something a bit more realistic, and I don't think they'd consider using a skimpier Starfire suit. In the comics I like her New Teen Titans costume best, but for a show something more like the two mentioned would work better. Actually, her last solo suit might be a bit too casual, it doesn't look very super-heroic, so I think they'd go for something that looks a bit more like its worn in combat, like her 90s Titans suit.
I don't think that really works. She doesn't glow orange, she is orange. Like how Data is whiteish/gold, Garak is grey, Yoda is green, etc. It would make no sense to have her look like a human but just glow orange sometimes (if that's what you're saying).
I expect that one was inspired by the one from the TV show, since the show was pretty popular. For a lot of modern readers, the show was probably their introduction to Starfire, so it makes sense for the comics to follow its lead in her portrayal. That's why I expect the live-action TV show to do something on similar lines.
And Supergirl manages to fly around with a skirt just fine; as I said, her TV costume is designed like a tennis skirt with essentially a pair of shorts underneath.
I always wanted to see the Titans show done in the Arrowverse. I don't need to see Nightwing. His character makes no sense without a Batman backstory, anyways. The whole "former sidekick of a dark vigilante who has struck out on his own and can now end up forming or leading a group of young heroes" could completely be done with Roy. He has been absent from Arrow for awhile, but a starring role could perhaps bring him back. They've already established Wally in this verse as well, so surrounding them with some of the other Titans could round out quite a nice cast.
Nightwing can easily be in it. There is nothing to say that the world Titans is set in doesn't have Batman. It probably has several of the major heroes. Supergirl works fine with Superman existing but not usually appearing on the show, and I imagine it will be a similar situation with Batman on Titans.
I have absolutely no interest in watching a Nightwing that isn't allowed to show or refer or directly address his history with Bruce.
Yeah, I'd like an Earth-38 setting, since Batman implicitly exists there.
Of course, since this isn't a CW (or CW Seed) show, it'll probably be in a separate continuity all its own.
There isn't any reason why referencing Batman would be off limits for this show...
^ There's also no reason why actually having Batman SHOW UP would be off-limits for this show.
In fact, forget the Titans, just do a Batman show!
Sure there is. The Batman package is licensed to Gotham at the moment.