Considering that Discovery is using the Klingons, Trek 4 should go with the Borg.
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Considering that Discovery is using the Klingons, Trek 4 should go with the Borg.
It looked like with Into Darkness they were sewing the seeds of a new Klingon story, one where they were mortal enemies again (probably the direction Discovery is going in now?), which could have been great. Personaly I was disapointed when Beyond didn't pay off on them.
Another big draw for Into Darkenss was Benedict Cumberbatch, who appealed to a general non trekkie audience. If 14 does turn out to be a George Kirk story, it will be interesting to see what Chris Hemsworth's appeal adds to the film...
You could have lifted Krall and his gang out of Beyond and replaced them with Klingons without changing the movie much. Hell, Elba would have made a decent Klingon too.
I'm of the opinion that the marketing and release date were to blame for Beyond's lacklustre performance, not the end product.
I'm of the opinion that the marketing and release date were to blame for Beyond's lacklustre performance, not the end product.
Bring it on I say.
Rushing it to meet the release date was it's main downfall. For me the biggest problem with Beyond is the potential it never managed to live up to. Paramount should have shifted it back a couple of months, so it was still part fo the 50th year, but with more time to work on it. Perhaps if it wasn't part of the blockbuster season, having less competition would also have done it some favours box office wise.
Movies don't do that well in September and Beyond would've gotten lost in the Star Wars hype in November/December. They really needed to hit the original May release date.
And it was already pushed back twice. From May and July 8th.
Guess you're right about Star Wars, never understood why it's the spring/summer months that are more popular for cinemas though... "Yay, the weather's getting decent, shall we go and sit indoors in the dark for two hours?"
Kids are out of school and it is generally when families have vacation time, at least here in the US.
Yes, the next Star Trek movie needs a big gee-whiz factor that people will want to check out. The Borg could indeed provide that.
Back in the day, the Doomsday Machine was that factor. Another was Khan coming for Kirk. Back in the other day, it was the Borg capturing Picard. And so on.
If they do the Borg, they really need to take the experience to the next level and go somewhere they've never gone before with it. (See what I did there?)
Back in the day, the Doomsday Machine was that factor. Another was Khan coming for Kirk. Back in the other day, it was the Borg capturing Picard. And so on.
If they do the Borg, they really need to take the experience to the next level and go somewhere they've never gone before with it. (See what I did there?)
Klingons? Hell yes.
That's what most people associate with Kirk, Spock and the old Enterprise. It's their most popular enemy. It would feel a bit like a rehash, but this is a reboot-series anyway, and they have been teasing the klingons for three movies now.
The Borg? Hell no.
They are horror-movie villains, not brash adventure-type story villains. The tone just doesn't fit with Kelvin-Trek. There's no way to make a fast paced action chase scene with the Borg that wouldn't look silly. First Contact worked because they were slow, relentless, scary and effective. None of these are traits associated with the new Trek movies.
That's what most people associate with Kirk, Spock and the old Enterprise. It's their most popular enemy. It would feel a bit like a rehash, but this is a reboot-series anyway, and they have been teasing the klingons for three movies now.
The Borg? Hell no.
They are horror-movie villains, not brash adventure-type story villains. The tone just doesn't fit with Kelvin-Trek. There's no way to make a fast paced action chase scene with the Borg that wouldn't look silly. First Contact worked because they were slow, relentless, scary and effective. None of these are traits associated with the new Trek movies.
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Outside of blowing up Vulcan, the Abrams films have really played it safe from a narrative point-of-view. Which really blows my mind. They are playing in an alternate universe and can do anything they want. Go ahead and do a "Fall of the Federation" trilogy of films!
No one wants "safe" these days.
Star Trek Resistance coming May 2019
(could even work in abit of TNG somehow - timetravel/alt realities etc)
Poster of a Borg cube scooping up either New York or Washington. Teaser trailer being a version of the same (something similar to the White House being destroyed in Independence Day).
Completely agree with everything in this. And would also like to add that I just really can't see the Borg and TOS going well together generally. If it had to be a 24th Century villain in the 23rd, I'd much rather see a Kirk Vs Cardassian showdown.
Boresville!
Why?
Kirk versus computers is a running theme in TOS. The Borg would be the ultimate culmination of that theme.
This.
I just don't see how it would be any different than Kirk vs. either the Romulans or Klingons?
Didn't say it would be ideal, just my prefered pick of the 24th C options. As much as I would prefer the Klingons, I'd be interested to see how Kirk faces against the sheer brutality of a Cardassian onslaught, as opposed to an ideological one, or an honourable one from Krall or the Klingons?
They were perfect in TNG, used in only four stories, but ones that really had impact. Seven's growth as an individual aside I wasn't too impressed with VOY's episodes, and Janeway's confrontations with the Queen kinda took away something that made First Contact special.
To me it would be like Picard facing off against Khan.
Sorry to be brutally honest, but it would be worse. The Cardassians were basically just Klingons or Romulans without literally being Klingons or Romulans. The most significant thing that distinguished them was their look, which from a story perspective isn't all that significant.
Yeah, the sacrilege. I went there.
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