Biggest problem with "Voyager" is that they didn't really take any chances.

[Jayson1]

Well I was able to highlight the post but when I pushed the right button bellow the touchpad I wasn't given a "copy" option. Something tells me all this stuff is going to be held against me next week when I take my new job at the NSA where it will be my duty to protect government files from Russian hackers.

Jason

 

[Refuge]

Jason, you need to take some more chances, lol.

How can you not see the Delete choice? That is almost remedial. Now copy and paste is an art form.

Go on, cut loose!

 

[Akiraprise]

Well I was able to highlight the post but when I pushed the right button bellow the touchpad I wasn't given a "copy" option. Something tells me all this stuff is going to be held against me next week when I take my new job at the NSA where it will be my duty to protect government files from Russian hackers.

Jason

You got it figured out now bud?
Let's get back to the topic at hand.

 

[LJones41]

My response to this thread is . . . bullshit. To me, it's just another example of "VOYAGER" bashing, because the lead was a woman.

 

[JeffinOakland]

The Gilligan's Island in Space premise was inherently flawed.

 

[Jax]

My response to this thread is . . . bullshit. To me, it's just another example of "VOYAGER" bashing, because the lead was a woman.

Has anyone mentioned the gender of the lead? So no one is allowed to Bash Voyager?

 

[Jayson1]

My response to this thread is . . . bullshit. To me, it's just another example of "VOYAGER" bashing, because the lead was a woman.

HOW? I liked Janeway. Using this logic couldn't you say people liked "Voyager" better because it's lead was a white person instead of a black man on "DS9?" When has racist or sexist arguments ever been made on the Trekbbs in order to knock a character? When I start seeing threads about how Janeway should have spended more time making sandwitches for the guys then I might believe it but not until then.
Also people still don't seem to realize that things like race, gender are seen differently when you come to things like fiction or sports as oposed to real life. It's like saying that racism ended in the 90's because peopled loved Micheal Jordan and Will Smith.
It always reminds me of that scene in "Do the RIght Thing" between Spike Lee and Turturo. Turturo is a pretty racist guy and Spike Lee calls him on and talks about celebrites he likes such as Magic Johnson and Prince. Turturo's basic defense is along the lines of "There are black but not really black." Same argment can be used to show why Barak Obama can become president and you follow him up with a friend to the alt right.

Jason

 

[Trekkin]

My response to this thread is . . . bullshit. To me, it's just another example of "VOYAGER" bashing, because the lead was a woman.

Better not criticise any of the other shows then. Wouldn't want to bash Jews, Europeans, African-Americans, and rock-stupid yokels.

You will still occasionally find some moron being an ass about Janeway, especially in some circles. But this is not one of those times.

 

[Refuge]

Funny!

 

[Anwar]

The biggest problem was that Voyager simply came at the wrong time. Rick Berman wanted to wait until DS9 was done before doing another show so they would have time to get new writers and plan things out properly, but he was overruled.

That, and the half-baked plot didn't help. The whole "Lost in Space" thing is only good for 1 or 2 seasons at most.

 

[Trekkin]

I kinda wish the 'to settle, or not settle on a planet' episode had come after they'd contacted Earth. Have a bunch of the eternally unseen crewmembers decide to stay put, and wait out the decades until Starfleet can rescue them.

That way the characters who want to be on Voyager (aka the leads) are free reprioritise. They could try to establish a defensive line against the Borg, or embrace being truly nomadic explorers, or set out on a mission to kick Q in the demigods for that shit with Janeway's bath, or...

You know, just vary the mission statement up a bit.

 

[Sophie74656]

I kind of agree with the notion that there should have been more spacing between the series. Between TNG's premiere in 1987 and Voyagers end in 2001 there were three series and 6 movies, and a lot of the same people were involved with everything. Naturally some story lines got reused and some things got more focus than others, some things didn't get as much focus as they needed. Star Trek was competing with other shows as well as itself. I think that if there was a gap between TNG and DS9 and then between DS9 and Voyager that perhaps they all would have done better.

 

[TheAdmiralty]

Voyager could have been a great show even without taking changes, it needed better writing and acting.

I think that was the fundamental thing. They eventually got their stuff together story-wise to a certain degree, but it's definitely the weakest cast of characters to me. The only characters I found all that interesting were Seven, and to an extent Janeway and the Doctor. Tom had his moments too.

But even on the story front, the show didn't really utilize its premise. There was very little Starfleet/Maquis tension aside from a few episodes in the first year, everyone put on the uniforms and followed orders just like it was TNG, regular Star Trek aliens showed up on a fairly regular basis, there weren't any signs of gradual wear and tear on the ship as they went along, exc. The premise of the show was great, the best episodes are the ones that live up to it the most emphasize that they're out there on their own, and if it had really owned it it could have been a great change of pace from the structured world of TNG and more like the adventurous "wild west" feel of TOS. I can think of so many great ideas that they could have done, instead of "space nebula of the week" episodes and the endless Borg shows they did later on.

 

[Refuge]

The biggest problem was that Voyager simply came at the wrong time. Rick Berman wanted to wait until DS9 was done before doing another show so they would have time to get new writers and plan things out properly, but he was overruled.

That, and the half-baked plot didn't help. The whole "Lost in Space" thing is only good for 1 or 2 seasons at most.

How come it ran for seven then?

 

[Sophie74656]

Voyager only had three encounters with alpha quadrant species. That's hardly "on a regular basis". There was constant mention of being low on supplies, gathering food, systems malfunctioning, they even landed to perform a full overhaul.

 

[Anwar]

How come it ran for seven then?

Why do you think we keep having these threads about how the show didn't do anything new or different? Because people DID get tired of the Lost in Space thing being dragged on for 7 years.

 

[Refuge]

Why do you think we keep having these threads about how the show didn't do anything new or different? Because people DID get tired of the Lost in Space thing being dragged on for 7 years.

Okay that doesn't make sense. Whether you like something or not is not determined by it length. In fact in the environment of commercial TV a run for 7 years is a marker it was appealing to enough people to make it so.. to coin a phrase

 

[marlboro]

Guys, I have a feeling that this may be the thread where we settle this once and for all.

 

[MacLeod]

Voyager only had three encounters with alpha quadrant species. That's hardly "on a regular basis". There was constant mention of being low on supplies, gathering food, systems malfunctioning, they even landed to perform a full overhaul.

Well that depends on how you define an encounter with an AQ species. The ship itself or the crew in some manner due to say a communication network. And if you discount Q as well. Not to mention disconting episodes dealing with other humans i.e "The 37s" and Starfleet.

Now don't get me wrong I enjoyed some of the episode where they were in contact with Earth, and really they never would have been out of contact sure it might take a few years to get a reply. But in TNG we are told by Data that Starfleet should recieve a subspace transmission from another galaxy in 51 or so years (WNHGB).

Yes I know should is not the same as will, but should indicates a high degree of proability that they will, and given the source (Data) only re-enforces that there is a very high probability that they would recieve the tranmission.

 

[Gary7]

Why do you think we keep having these threads about how the show didn't do anything new or different? Because people DID get tired of the Lost in Space thing being dragged on for 7 years.

That was the whole premise. It was very clear how this series was going to end. Either they'd make it back to the Alpha quadrant, or fall short (either destruction or giving up). All along the way they encountered different planets, different species, and so on, as well as ongoing character development. I didn't find it boring most of the time. There were definitely some dud episodes, but I'd say there were far more of those in DS9.