Thor: Ragnarok

[Kemaiku]

I think it's a safe bet she already has an infinity stone. Hence the Myu-myu crushing and the fiery mowing down of Asgard. I'm guessing the Souls Stone since it's the only one unaccounted for and...well: Queen of Hel, Goddess of Lost Souls.

As for the tesseract: I note in several shots there are wormholes in the sky very similar to the one from 'Avengers', so I'm guessing Loki still has it and is lending it's use to the Grandmaster to gather his contenders for the games in exchange for...something? Also probably how he got Hulk off of Earth.

It could be, but I think Hela is meant to have that power naturally as a goddess or one of the eldest beings like the Celestials and Titans. I know it's a meme but viewers have created a list of objects;

T Tesseract Space stone
H Hela? Soul stone
A Aether Reality stone
N Necklace Time stone
O Orb Power stone
S Scepter Mind stone

H being Hela would fit the pattern. And finally have a stone that didn't turn out to be on Earth, or already in the posession of a known antagonist.

The skyholes...no one seems to be reacting to them and there are a lot of them all at once with no power beam from the Tesseract, I think the planet has those portals of their own accord and have been doing this for some time through their own technology. Looks more like the Aether's work...which is kind of bad if they're already coming together.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Thor 1 was a pretty good film, cheesy but fun.
Thor 2 was a messy blur of garbage, saved from the bin by Kat Denning.
Thor 3 looks like a fun ride.

 

[Reverend]

It could be, but I think Hela is meant to have that power naturally as a goddess or one of the eldest beings like the Celestials and Titans.

Exactly what a god/goddess is in this context is a bit unclear. I mean all of the Asgardian aristocracy are considered gods, no?
IIRC in the comics Hela is supposedly the daughter of Loki and one of Odin's personal guards, so she's meant to be on par with other Asgardians. Or at least in the ballpark as she's still a powerful sorceress. Just not an order of magnitude greater is what I'm getting at, and thus not likely to be able to hold, let alone crush Mjolnir. Not without some serious juice.

I doubt they'll keep her as Loki's daughter given the casting, though I think him being her son could work. If nothing else it could certainly help account for his appearance and size compared to other frost giants. Plus, Hela seems to have a particular beef with Asgard so it would also work if she's some kind of exile, criminal or maybe even a warrior abandoned by Odin during the war with Jotunheim.

I know it's a meme but viewers have created a list of objects;

T Tesseract Space stone
H Hela? Soul stone
A Aether Reality stone
N Necklace Time stone
O Orb Power stone
S Scepter Mind stone

H being Hela would fit the pattern. And finally have a stone that didn't turn out to be on Earth, or already in the posession of a known antagonist.

That all seems like a bit of a stretch, especially considering the time stone is in an amulet, not a necklace.

The skyholes...no one seems to be reacting to them and there are a lot of them all at once with no power beam from the Tesseract, I think the planet has those portals of their own accord and have been doing this for some time through their own technology. Looks more like the Aether's work...which is kind of bad if they're already coming together.

Well you wouldn't see the beam if they're being opened from the other side and the setup in Avengers was an ad hoc kludged together with primitive human technology. With some proper Asgardian know-how I can't see why they can't have it powering multiple portals.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I doubt they'll keep her as Loki's daughter given the casting, though I think him being her son could work. If nothing else it could certainly help account for his appearance and size compared to other frost giants. Plus, Hela seems to have a particular beef with Asgard so it would also work if she's some kind of exile, criminal or maybe even a warrior abandoned by Odin during the war with Jotunheim.

I hope they don't do that, speaking from the perspective of Norse Mythology. I know that those characters and worlds aren't the same as Norse, but they are a reflection and I don't like that particular reversion.

 

[Reverend]

I hope they don't do that, speaking from the perspective of Norse Mythology. I know that those characters and worlds aren't the same as Norse, but they are a reflection and I don't like that particular reversion.

Well according to the mythology Sif is Thor's wife no? Clearly that's never been the case so I wouldn't feel too attached to the interpretations of gossipy ancient Scandinavians.

 

[Anwar]

According to mythology, Loki gave birth to other creatures and was Odin's Blood Brother.

Safe to say the comics aren't going with that mythology.

 

[Greg Cox]

Is Hela Loki's daughter in the comics? I know she is in the original myths, but I don't remember that being a thing back when I was reading THOR comics. (Then again, I'm a few years behind at this point.)

As for the relationship between the comics and the myths, it's worth remembering that the very first issue of the Marvel comic book had Thor fighting alien invaders from the planet Saturn, so there's never been any pretense that the Marvel version is supposed to be particularly faithful to the original myths.

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

She is, but they're not close. More like rivals than anything else, at least during the Simonson era.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hela was absolutely Loki's daughter in the Walt Simonson run.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

H being Hela would fit the pattern. And finally have a stone that didn't turn out to be on Earth, or already in the posession of a known antagonist.

Hela, Heimdall, and Hammer all could fit for Thor-related things.

That all seems like a bit of a stretch, especially considering the time stone is in an amulet, not a necklace.

While I understand the skepticism, I'll also point out people predicted that the Eye of Agamotto was predicted as one of the stones ages ago precisely because of this theory.

 

[Reverend]

While I understand the skepticism, I'll also point out people predicted that the Eye of Agamotto was predicted as one of the stones ages ago precisely because of this theory.

Well that's more of a logical thing since it's a fairly iconic piece of Doctor Strange lore and making it an infinity stone would be an easy way to tie-in that part of the universe to the larger story.
Also, counterpoint: it's easy to recall the guesses that turned out correct and even easier to forget the *legion* of guesses that turned out utterly and completely wrong.

Remember when people were convinced that Robert Redford was going to turn out to be Red Skull in disguise?

 

[theenglish]

Completely the opposite here

Who cares, right? They're just silly bundles of fun to digest and then move on from.

Or, you know, the complete opposite, depending on which thread you fall into in this place.

Hugo -

I think, for me, even the poorest of the films are still really fun and the best are truly great with some pretty important things to say. That really stay with you long after you've seen them. They're very similar to Star Trek in that way.

 

[kirk55555]

I think, for me, even the poorest of the films are still really fun and the best are truly great with some pretty important things to say. That really stay with you long after you've seen them. They're very similar to Star Trek in that way.

I agree. With the MCU, even the weak movies are fun (and I think only 2 or 3 are actually weak), and the best are just amazing movies. For example I'd take Thor: The Dark World, which is one of the weaker MCU movies, over many other non-MCU superhero films.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Well that's more of a logical thing since it's a fairly iconic piece of Doctor Strange lore and making it an infinity stone would be an easy way to tie-in that part of the universe to the larger story.
Also, counterpoint: it's easy to recall the guesses that turned out correct and even easier to forget the *legion* of guesses that turned out utterly and completely wrong.

Remember when people were convinced that Robert Redford was going to turn out to be Red Skull in disguise?

I don't recall the THANOS theory until just before Age of Ultron when they speculated S was Scepter and N was necklace. I don't recall was H generally was. My position isn't that the specifics of any THANOS theory are necessarily correct, but that the stones will correspond with THANOS. I also think it's plausible Marvel saw the theory and decided to incorporate it since it was unclear whether the scepter was even an Infinity Stone at that point.

 

[Kemaiku]

Like I said it's been knocking around the internet for a while now, and it's fun to try and find the last stone. I still think most of them won't appear again until Infinity War.

I just think we might see the cube shattered in this one and Hela doing some major damage to more than just Asgard before it's over.

 

[Mage]

I agree. With the MCU, even the weak movies are fun (and I think only 2 or 3 are actually weak), and the best are just amazing movies. For example I'd take Thor: The Dark World, which is one of the weaker MCU movies, over many other non-MCU superhero films.

Dude, I've disagreed with some of your statements, but this, TOTALLY this.

 

[Ridcully]

Huh, in my all my years of reading Norse Mythology (in fact, I recently read two particular books in preparation for Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman, which I'm reading right now) and I've never seen Loki spelled as Loke.

Well you can spell Odin and Thor right...who changed the names from Loke to Loki....Frigg to Frigga.... Hmm Stana Leea I'll call him from now Hel to Hela...oh gods the friggin' Wrecklish bastard language of them all

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Well you can spell Odin and Thor right...who changed the names from Loke to Loki....Frigg to Frigga.... Hmm Stana Leea I'll call him from now Hel to Hela...oh gods the friggin' Wrecklish bastard language of them all

Is it pronounced LO-KEY? Because it makes a lot of sense to spell it Loki to English readers to avoid the name being pronounced like SPOKE, JOKE, WOKE or COKE. Frigga and Hela similarly sound more natural as female names.

 

[Ridcully]

Oi is hath becoma der Spanisha
Lok'eh is probally more like we say it around here...Frigg and Hel are just straight ahead...as said English is a friggin' mess...

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Thor 2 was a messy blur of garbage, saved from the bin by Kat Denning.

No film is saved by Kat Denning.

Thor 3 looks like a fun ride.

I think it will be the necessary send off to one long, dark journey that flattens the current MCU. I expect to say goodbye to a good number of the top shelf actors/characters.

Safe to say the comics aren't going with that mythology.

Yep!