Do you think they should/will reboot the Star Wars prequels?

[Prax]

I don't think the PT did a very good job with Star Wars franchise.

Are you insane?! Please justify such a statement. I've heard that Lucasfilm's estimated value was $30B before the sale to Disney.

The Franchise had comics, video games, and books in the 90's, but nothing like what came after. Star Wars hit a "perpetually marketable" from 97-99 onwards and never went back.

A good example of this is Lego. Star Wars was so popular in 99-2000 that Lego's recent SW license saved the company from bankruptcy. SW was even more popular in the years to follow. Lego is now the biggest, most successful toy company today.

We get it. You don't like the Prequels. That's your choice.

 

[Prax]

I don't think the PT did a very good job with Star Wars franchise.


Because arguments are presented as being facts, not feelings. In this thread I have read multiple times that "The PT is as good as the OT" but very rarely is there a "Why" attached to the reasoning. It's simply stated as fact, and if I, the reader, can't figure it out, then clearly I am a "hater."

I have read several different opinions about the PT, but rarely do I hear them be compared in quality to the OT. PT jokes and the like abound around and around on the internet, in many different circles, both fandom, and non-fandom, so it's hard not to regard the PT has a bit of a laughing stock status.

If there is this large supportive fan base, I would love to be engaged and discuss with them, and see their arguments. But, I haven't found it, save for one site right now. Everything else, that I have read, is snipping and sarcastic and ad hominen attacks.

After all the discussions I've personally had with you, and seen others have, I'm surprised to see you make such a dismissive statement. I mean, why make the effort when suddenly we've all been reduced to talking nonsense. Thanks!

I bow to your golden armchair of higher criticism.

 

[fireproof78]

After all the discussions I've personally had with you, and seen others have, I'm surprised to see you make such a dismissive statement. I mean, why make the effort when suddenly we've all been reduced to talking nonsense. Thanks!

I bow to your golden armchair of higher criticism.

Hyperbole much?
You're not "talking nonsense' and if that is the implication of my post, I will amend it to reflect better my sentiment. My larger point, with few exceptions, is that it's a statement that the PT is as good as the OT, with little information offered beyond personal experience. @Prax you are one of the few to articulate your position better. My addressing was more to Ljones and the broad strokes made in their post.

Are you insane?! Please justify such a statement. I've heard that Lucasfilm's estimated value was $30B before the sale to Disney.

The Franchise had comics, video games, and books in the 90's, but nothing like what came after. Star Wars hit a "perpetually marketable" from 97-99 onwards and never went back.

A good example of this is Lego. Star Wars was so popular in 99-2000 that Lego's recent SW license saved the company from bankruptcy. SW was even more popular in the years to follow. Lego is now the biggest, most successful toy company today.

We get it. You don't like the Prequels. That's your choice.

Since the statement was made as a sarcastic reply to similar phrasing about the Star Trek reboot, I feel no need to justify my statement further.

 

[Prax]

I see(says the blind man)

 

[fireproof78]

I'm truly open to discussion regarding the PT and why people enjoy it. But, telling me that "things are just fine as they are" in the PT, feels dismissive of any criticism of the PT and being centered from a place of personal hatred by the critic.

And, I need to amend my own hyperbolic statement. I have found other sites, specifically podcasts, that discuss the PT in an extremely positive light, and expound upon how the PT provides greater depth of narrative focus than the OT did, or expanded concepts. However, those are podcasts and not a discussion forum, which I prefer. I like discussing all facets of Star Wars, not just the stuff I like.

If there are discussions points to be made regarding my critiques of the PT, that's fine. However, an understanding needs to be made that I do not hate the PT. I don't like it, but I don't hate it. I'm disappointed by some of the choices, and think they could have been done better. Others think they are fine just the way they are. I don't think I'm right but I will speak from my experience, which is unique and different than any one else's. If there is confusion, i will attempt to clarify, because I welcome the fact that people like the PT. It just has not been the majority of viewers in my experience.

 

[Prax]

Looks like Mr. Anderson 00001(who has all the special features up on his channel) posted a video today. It's fun to go back in time, to 2005.

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Here's his other most recent post, also relevant-an interview from 1994. Lucas begins writing the prequels, 23 years ago!

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[LJones41]

Because arguments are presented as being facts, not feelings. In this thread I have read multiple times that "The PT is as good as the OT" but very rarely is there a "Why" attached to the reasoning. It's simply stated as fact, and if I, the reader, can't figure it out, then clearly I am a "hater."

I have come across posts in which some members DO NOT explain why they feel that the PT is just as good as the OT. I have come across posts in which some members DO NOT explain why they feel the OT is better than PT. Who are you kidding?

And "why" does someone have to explain their opinion? Is their a rule that someone has to? All a person has to do is state his or her personal feelings with the use of the words "I believe", "I feel", "I agree", "I disagree" and so on. That's all. I don't feel that it is mandatory to explain one's feelings. And I do wish that some people would stop expressing their opinions as if the latter were facts.

 

[fireproof78]

I have come across posts in which some members DO NOT explain why they feel that the PT is just as good as the OT. I have come across posts in which some members DO NOT explain why they feel the OT is better than PT. Who are you kidding?

And "why" does someone have to explain their opinion? Is their a rule that someone has to? All a person has to do is state his or her personal feelings with the use of the words "I believe", "I feel", "I agree", "I disagree" and so on. That's all. I don't feel that it is mandatory to explain one's feelings. And I do wish that some people would stop expressing their opinions as if the latter were facts.

It is not mandatory, but it is helpful in understanding another point of view. People operate from their own experiences, and many of those feel factual. For instance, in my experience, positive reviews of the PT are few and far between. I have been on multiple boards, defended the romance from AOTC on tfn, stated why AOTC is my favorite, and rarely come across positive support without a lot of hedging.

If other peoples' experience are different, great. Please feel free to share so that others can learn. That's discussion and sharing ideas.


I have done my best to explain my position on both the PT and the OT. I can explain further if it would make a difference. But, my experience with reviews, friends, fan groups and magazine articles has given me a distinct impression.

 

[JD]

I have no problem explaining my feelings about the PT.
I enjoy them quite a bit, but I do admit that the writing and acting aren't the greatest. I love the visuals, and I enjoy the overall stories in the movie enough to the make up for the weaknesses in other parts of the movies. I think each one got better, and I'd put RotS up there as one my favorites.

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Do you think they should/will reboot the Star Wars Ewok Films?

I really need to watch these again some time. I loved them as a kid, but I haven't seen them in about 20 years.

There could always be a film about the farther adventures of Cindel Towani. Not sure what Aubree Miller is doing now, but she's nearly 40.

It would crack me up if they gave her an easter egg cameo in one of the sequel movies.

 

[LJones41]

I'm truly open to discussion regarding the PT and why people enjoy it. But, telling me that "things are just fine as they are" in the PT, feels dismissive of any criticism of the PT and being centered from a place of personal hatred by the critic.

I have brought up the question regarding any flaws in the OT. You would be surprised (or perhaps not) at the number of people who claim that "things are just fine as they are" in the OT. Which probably means that both OT and PT fans utilize this answer.

 

[fireproof78]

I have brought up the question regarding any flaws in the OT. You would be surprised (or perhaps not) at the number of people who claim that "things are just fine as they are" in the OT. Which probably means that both OT and PT fans utilize this answer.

No, I'm not surprised. I used to think the OT was perfect too, but that has changed as I got older. Nobody argued me to that position, I simply engaged the films on a different level. I think ANH did a disservice to the Obi-Wan character by killing him, I think the Hoth scenes are too long and drawn out, and I think the Jabba the Hutt sequence in ROTJ was overly complicated.

Luke's Jedi training, as presented in the films, makes little sense, because Yoda is annoyed he's leaving then says he's good.

The difference, for me, between whether I enjoy a film or not comes down to characters. It will vary with everyone.

 

[Prax]

I have brought up the question regarding any flaws in the OT. You would be surprised (or perhaps not) at the number of people who claim that "things are just fine as they are" in the OT. Which probably means that both OT and PT fans utilize this answer.

Whenever I hear people talk about "flaws" or say things like "I think the problem was..." or "It just doesn't work" I struggle to not roll my eyes. It often comes off as complaining or even shaming with a veneer of "high criticism."

If there are continuity errors, anachronisms, goofs, etc, that can be identified, those are legitimate, objective flaws. Otherwise, the now-cliche shopping list of digs is just another way of saying "I don't like that."

I've gone through phases where I like one Trek series over another, and find all sorts of "flaws" in the acting, dialogue, plot, whatever in the other series. Then my interests will switch and vice versa will happen. The same has happened with the Prequels. When I discovered I was supposed to hate them, I started thinking they were awful in every way. Then a few years ago, I watched them with an open mind and found a really rich, interesting set of films. Now I love all six of them equally. To take any out of the mix damages the story terribly.

 

[fireproof78]

Agree to disagree, then. I think that you could argue for watching ANH, ESB, ROTS, and then ROTJ and RO and have a fine time of it.

I'm not a professional critic, so when I see something that I think could have been done better, it comes from my own personal experience. Not sure why it should come across as "shaming" or "high criticism" (whatever that means? ).

Again, I don't "hate" any aspect of Star Wars. I simply think that some things work better than others. YMMV and all that jazz.

 

[Prax]

"Shaming" is something that humans get a sense of elation, even joy from. It is prevalent in "fandoms" especially Trek and SWars. I will say that BBS is probably the polite and intelligent forum I've personally encountered. I don't know why that is, maybe the mods are just awesome here, but compared to Reddit, Force net, YouTube, and many others, BBS is simply awesome.

Of course, shaming isn't exclusive to sci Fi fandoms, it happens in all walks of life. Every debate, from religion to election season, there's always a dedicate segment of people of who devote a seemingly awful lot of time to shaming. When I say "a veneer of higher criticism" I'm referring to the abundance of armchair critics online who have strong opinions and dispense contempt on their objects of hatred in as public a fashion as possible.

I wasn't referring to you at all.

 

[fireproof78]

"Shaming" is something that humans get a sense of elation, even joy from. It is prevalent in "fandoms" especially Trek and SWars. I will say that BBS is probably the polite and intelligent forum I've personally encountered. I don't know why that is, maybe the mods are just awesome here, but compared to Reddit, Force net, YouTube, and many others, BBS is simply awesome.

Of course, shaming isn't exclusive to sci Fi fandoms, it happens in all walks of life. Every debate, from religion to election season, there's always a dedicate segment of people of who devote a seemingly awful lot of time to shaming. When I say "a veneer of higher criticism" I'm referring to the abundance of armchair critics online who have strong opinions and dispense contempt on their objects of hatred in as public a fashion as possible.

I wasn't referring to you at all.

Fair enough. Shaming is a function of humanity for a wide varity of reasons, but that's a function of human society, and social behaviors.

Personally, I haven't ever been shamed, at least since the PT came out and I started this glamorous career of online discussion on Star Wars matters, for my opinions on the PT. Which, is surprising, given that I like AOTC out of the lot.

So, yeah, different experiences.

 

[INACTIVESamusAranX]

I loved the prequels, with the exception of AOTC. In my opinion there's a lot of flaws that border on indefensible with the film, but the final half hour is up there with the best the franchise. So all is forgiven there for me.

 

[ichab]

The prequals are almost impossible for me to watch. Episode 3 is the only one I come back to due to the fall of the republic, Anakin turning to the dark side,Anakin vs Obi Wan, Yoda vs Emperor, Vader putting the suit on for the first time,..basically everything I had wanted to see in the first place. Episodes 1 and 2 seem like big drags and bore me to tears. I just can't bring myself to see them again.

Despite all this, I would hate for Disney to reboot them and would rather the company keep doing what they are doing eg:using their time and resources on stories I haven't seen yet.

 

[Gaith]

Disney would NEVER do that - more importantly, Lucasfilm would never do that. Kennedy (and many others) have a good relationship with Uncle George. They wouldn't do that to him - not when he's alive, and DEFINITELY not when he passes.
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Bottom line, the prequels are here to stay, folks.

Yup. Although I would personally happily nuke the PT (with the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons as collateral damage, along with Kennedy's resignation), leaving the door open for future remaking, the smart business play - and Disney will always side with that - is to selectively downplay it in current movies, as they're doing, and do other stuff for a decade at least.

 

[Prax]

Actually, I've heard Rian Johnson is a big prequel fan. He's incorporating/Incorporated elements from the original episode 7(the one written by Lucas and Arndt) into episode 8's script.

Also, Hayden Christensen was going to appear in episode 7, and still could in 8.

 

[LJones41]

Agree to disagree, then. I think that you could argue for watching ANH, ESB, ROTS, and then ROTJ and RO and have a fine time of it.

Agree to disagree. I see no need to skip TPM, AOTC or even TFA, considering that I enjoyed the first two films and parts of TFA as much as I had enjoyed ANH, ESB, ROTS, and RO. If you enjoy skipping TPM, AOTC and TFA, that's your perrogative. I, on the other hand, would rather watch at least seven of the films and parts of TFA.


And if Disney decides to reboot the Prequel Trilogy, I will not watch them. Period.