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Legion season 1 (new X-Men related tv show)

What exactly are Oliver's abilities?

I had a similar issue with Walter/the Eye. At first he just stood around looking sinister, then it seemed like he was primarily a tracker, then it looked like he was invulnerable to bullets ( even though he was clearly affected by David's TK in the first episode ), then he did whatever he did in David's house... :shrug:

That ending... things that make you go WTF.

I don't think I fully parsed everything that happened in this episode and I probably need to watch these again...
 
Remember that Oliver built that compound with Cary, so that's why he was in there working on the power while Cary was trying to fix David.

And yeah, it was pretty odd for Cary to give Clark that glass of water. Though I definitely like the idea of Clark as an ally. And I was glad to see Cary and Kerry back together at the end.

One thing that seemed maybe wrong: shouldn't there have been some residual body switching after Syd switched with David, and then the Shadow King got involved? I don't recall seeing people flip back to their original state.

Music was fantastic throughout.

Ptonomy seemed ... very violent.

I'm a little surprised that the only person we lost throughout the whole season was The Eye. Everybody else made it through the season, even Lenny. Speaking of which, did we see David's sister at all in the finale? I'm not sure. (Ah, I just remembered: Captain No Name. Is he alive or dead? I have no idea.)
 
Emh said:
With the season sadly over already, I think I'm going to go back and watch the season again. I have a feeling certain things will be better understood now, although I think there are also some lingering unanswered questions.
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Me too. I loved this show, but what the hell did I just watch?

Christopher said:
The only song I recognized was "If I Ruled the World," and that's just because the title was right there in the lyrics.

I agree about not stigmatizing mental illness, but I didn't think that was what David was saying. The key was his line, "This only works if it's not about me."
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Christopher said:
Which is a song I've never heard of, so I'd have no way of knowing that word was its title.
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DUDE! You've got to listen to "The Dark Side of the Moon"! The line in the song is literally "there's someone in my head, but it's not me." OK, that's from "Brain Damage" and not "Breathe," but it's the same album. Of course, this goes back to the poster that suggested "Brain Damage" works better.

Then, after you listen to it once, twice, or 100 times... listen to it synced to "The Wizard of Oz"...
 
Shawnster said:
DUDE! You've got to listen to "The Dark Side of the Moon"! The line in the song is literally "there's someone in my head, but it's not me." OK, that's from "Brain Damage" and not "Breathe," but it's the same album. Of course, this goes back to the poster that suggested "Brain Damage" works better.
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That's the very reason why I wished they used "Brain Damage" instead. Hell, the whole song works as an anthem to David, but that line especially stands out. Perhaps it was a bit too on the nose. :lol:
 
I'm still not really sure if I care about the show or not. It kept me watching for eight eps, but only just. (If the season was longer I probably would have given up, but knowing it was only eight kept me hanging in there.) And if I'm honest, the post credits scene in the finale made me care even less about coming back for more. I'm not even sure I can describe why.

A sometimes brilliant, very often frustrating show.
 
Having watched the season again, I've noticed a few lingering questions (beyond the general nature of Divisions 1 and 3 and "The War"):

  1. The most notable unanswered question is who exactly did Syd accidentally kill at Clockworks. Benny was a real person and was someone David knew prior to Clockworks (as noted by Philly and Dr. Poole), yet Lenny was referred to as a woman killed by David (noted by Clark) and interacted with both Syd and Dr. Kissinger (although we only have David's memory to go by for the latter). So did Lenny actually exist at Clockworks and the Shadow King decided to wear that face in David's mind afterwards as a means to continue to hold David's trust, while deliberately blending the memory of both Benny and Lenny as the same person?
  2. Why was Syd at Clockworks? She hadn't met the group from Summerland yet, so she appears to have been for actual care. The only reference to any kind of illness is during the hospital framework in David's mind (noted as some form of antisocial disorder).
  3. In the first episode during the conversation between Clark and Brubaker, Red Hook is mentioned as some kind of incident that may have shown significant mutant powers. Perhaps this was Charles Xavier battle with the Shadow King?
  4. During that same conversation, the camera work slowly zoomed towards a partially covered cage darkly lit with red light with growling heard from within. What was the point of that little sequence?
  5. Why was Division 3 set up at the school for David's interrogation? There seemed to be more going on there just dealing with him considering the number of armed military personnel was present?
  6. What did the stars say to David? What was it that David told Dr. Poole that needed to be destroyed (or consumed) that lead to Dr. Poole's violent encounter with David?
  7. Did Walter kill Dr. Poole so he could take his place at the lighthouse or is he still alive somewhere?

Christopher said:
I agree about not stigmatizing mental illness, but I didn't think that was what David was saying. The key was his line, "This only works if it's not about me." What meant was that the classic schizophrenic delusion is that he's not schizophrenic, just superpowered and surrounded by magical friends and special because he's the chosen one. If he played into that narrative, he'd never be sure that any of it was real. The only way he could be convinced it was really happening was if he didn't just act out that narrative, if the events unfolded in a way that didn't just revolve around him and his wishes/fears/etc.
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Having watched that scene again, I don't think the "This only works if it's not about me" line is referring to his schizophrenia. The conversation shifted to his power and helping so I think that line is referring to his ability to help. The earlier conversation seemed indicate to me David's certainity that he is schizophrenic because he acknowledged the danger of trying to deny he has it.

Christopher said:
It was Syd's wrist.
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Turns out, I was actually right: It was Cary's wrist, not Syd. The scene still felt weird and I think it was more than the possibility of Clark grabbing Cary's hand. Again, Kerry was in the room, too, to watch over him.
 
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Emh said:
In the first episode during a conversation between Clark and Brubaker, Red Hook is mentioned as some kind of incident that may have shown significant mutant powers. Perhaps this was Charles Xavier battle with the Shadow King?
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In the comics, that battle happened in Cairo, Egypt. That's where Xavier first met Storm, who was a teenager working for Farouk as a thief. After he stopped her from picking his pocket, he confronted Farouk (telepathically, while sitting at separate tables in a cafe), then defeated him in a battle on the astral plane. It was the incident that made him realize there were evil mutants who needed to be fought, leading to his formation of the X-Men.


Having watched that scene again, I don't think the "This only works if it's not about me" line is referring to his schizophrenia. The conversation shifted to his power and helping so I think that line is referring to his ability to help. The earlier conversation seemed indicate to me David's certainity that he is schizophrenic because he acknowledged the danger of trying to deny he has it.
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I saw those as the setup and conclusion of the same thought. Talking about his power wasn't a shift, because it was part of his earlier point -- that being told he actually had powers and was this all-important chosen one was just the sort of thing that he'd imagine if he were schizophrenic. That's why it only works if it's not about him -- because a delusion would be all about him, so he'd have no way to know if it was actually real. If he's just one player in a series of events that's about other people, that doesn't center on him, then that's more likely to be real.


The scene still felt weird and I think it was more than the possibility of Clark grabbing Cary's hand. Again, Kerry was in the room, too, to watch over him.
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Yes, of course Kerry was; she was the one who warned to put the water on the table. But if it was actually Cary after all, then any extra "weird" vibe was probably about the ongoing tension between Kerry and Cary, her anger at him for "abandoning" her.
 
Yeah, there was an order to deploy Equinox with no indication about what it was or what it would do, probably until the credit scene.
 
I did wonder if it would be some form of Shi'ar technology - or even the equivalent to a Sentinel.
 
Emh said:
Doubtful considering the exact line was "Send the Equinox." The definitive article likely indicates an object and not a person. Unless, of course it was a title. I don't know the character in question. Was he ever referred in that manner?
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I heard "Send in Equinox" but perhaps someone with access to subtitles could check. Equinox is derived from the Latin for "equal night" so it's an odd choice of name for the drone unless they just wanted to name drop an obscure comic book villain.
 
You know, if they had a gizmo like that which could incapacitate him so effortlessly, they probably should have led with it...
 
Asbo Zaprudder said:
I heard "Send in Equinox" but perhaps someone with access to subtitles could check. Equinox is derived from the Latin for "equal night" so it's an odd choice of name for the drone unless they just wanted to name drop an obscure comic book villain.
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The word "equinox" has been used in countless places besides comic books. It's not exactly an obscure term. Here's Wikipedia's disambiguation page for "equinox," and I'm sure it barely scratches the surface. (Although there is an interesting comics-based coincidence revealed on that page: Not only are there both DC and Marvel characters named Equinox, but there is also a professional wrestler called Equinox whose real, actual name is Jimmy Olsen.)
 
I'm sure the word is ubiquitous; however, I'm not convinced that Equinox in this context necessarily relates to the drone, which I assume will turn out to be innocuous -- the season 2 main villain is probably going to be possessed Oliver Bird. Perhaps the drone belongs to David's real dad. Which makes me wonder, can they afford Patrick Stewart as a guest star?
 
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