Star trek is very adamant about reading the words on the page. There is zero deviation or improvisation during shooting. Robert Picardo is famous for sneaking in two improvised lines.
Getting Rid Of Kim?
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This is from conventions..
In Mesaage In a Bottle the scene
Stop breathing down my neck
My breathing is a simulation
So is my neck stop it anyway....the last line was improvises but he later had to go through channels to get it kept in
In DS9 when he is playing Zimmermn the last line about the Kama Sutra was also improvised
I love that take on it. I feel there was a more interesting way to develop the contrast between Neelix and Kes and the rest of the crew, in that those two were signing on for a one-way journey away from their homes, presumably to never see their own people again, while the rest of the crew had the exact opposite goal. This notion is rattling around in some Neelix & Kes stories, but, as with so many things on Voyager, they just didn't take it far enough or do enough with it.
And then of course the end of both characters stories is the complete opposite of that notion, where they both effectively return home and conclude that being with their own people is what they want the most.
It's a valid choice with it's own merit, I was just more interested in the other angle on them.
1. It's hard to be nice when something p***es me off.
And to quote Sgt. Hartman from "Full Metal Jacket": "I'm tough but I'm fair!".
2. Well, I do feel insulted by that episode and that's not only me. Almost everyone who is a fan of Kes and many casual Voyager fans felt insulted by that episode.
3. Well, I happen to find that decision wrong, unnecessary, rude and stupid.
As for the writers and producers, I'll give them all credit for their work with TNG which was excellent. I also give them all credit for seasons 1-3 of Voyager. As for their stories, some were very good, some had serious flaws. But when writers all of a sudden lose the capability for writng stories for a main character, then they aren't doing their job and should be replaced.
Well that's nice of you. TNG wrote three main characters off the show. So you only count the first 66 episodes and ignore over 100 more?
Since we weren't there, we can't possibly pretend to know why Kes left.
Didn't you guys think the acting in Next Generation was pretty bad for the first couple of years? They got better. Data made that show.
Was watching a Kes episode the other night and she was chowing down on mashed potato and dirt. Munched on a few beetles.. Her acting was fine in my opinion. I didn't get a sense of bad acting from any of the Voyager crowd. Maybe Samantha Wildman was a little wooden but even she was better than Tasha Yar.
Was watching a Kes episode the other night and she was chowing down on mashed potato and dirt. Munched on a few beetles.. Her acting was fine in my opinion. I didn't get a sense of bad acting from any of the Voyager crowd. Maybe Samantha Wildman was a little wooden but even she was better than Tasha Yar.
Yeah TNG was horribly stilted in the beginning, though Roddenberry wanting no personal conflicts within the crew because humans had evolved past that didn't help. No one wants to watch humans who are all refined and above petty emotions on screen. Still can't blame it all on that, took them a while to get their chemistry going. VOY's liveliness from day one is quite the contrast.
I have no problem with Lien's acting, the character is what makes her seem so contentless in that regards. Watching her in Warlord or Elogium (the dirt eating one) she really shines and in both those episodes she was not herself (in Warlord literally). Give the woman something to do other than playing the one note role of "wise innocent" and she's damn good.
I have no problem with Lien's acting, the character is what makes her seem so contentless in that regards. Watching her in Warlord or Elogium (the dirt eating one) she really shines and in both those episodes she was not herself (in Warlord literally). Give the woman something to do other than playing the one note role of "wise innocent" and she's damn good.
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Although I'm not a huge fan of Warlord, I've never had any problems with her acting. She usually feels quite natural.
We don't know the factors that led to her replacement. It could be any number of things.
Actually we do know them. They were gonna get rid of someone and Harry won a prettiness prize so they kept him and ditched Kes.
Well, let's take a look at this!
They wrote off Tasha Yar because the actress wanted to quit. I didn't like that they killed off Yar but in this case it was clear that the actress wanted out and both those in charge and the actress came out with clear statements about it at that time. However, it was a mistake to kill off Yar since the actress did change her mind and wanted to come back, therefore we had to stand "Yesterday's Enterprise" and the silly Sela plot.
Beverly Crusher was dumped after one season which was as stupid as when they dumped Kes. However, in the Crusher case those in charge did realise their mistake and brought back Crusher aftere one years absence. All the time after Kes was dumped, I wished that they would realize their mistake and bring her back too but.............
Wesley Crusher was dumped after three seasons. However, they had him as a recurring character for the rest of the series and even if I don't like how they messed him up in "Journey's End" when he left with that sleazy Traveler, they didn't ruin him as they did with Kes in that insulting season 6 episode.
So except maybe for Yar, TNG never reached the unnesessary character destruction we had to stand in Voyager. And yes, I can watch all seasons of TNG But I must state that each season of TNG had more bum episodes than season 1, season 2 and season 3 of Voyager had.
As for Crusher, I think they wasted a golden opportunity there. They should have ahd him continue as a Starfleet officer and then the next series could have been about Wesley as a captain of his own ship. Instead they brought us "Enterprise" and now "Discovery", another pre-TOS series.
This is standard in Hollywood. It's all about attracting viewers
Wesley was widely hated. Making a show about him as a captain would never get off the ground.Well, let's take a look at this!
They wrote off Tasha Yar because the actress wanted to quit. I didn't like that they killed off Yar but in this case it was clear that the actress wanted out and both those in charge and the actress came out with clear statements about it at that time. However, it was a mistake to kill off Yar since the actress did change her mind and wanted to come back, therefore we had to stand "Yesterday's Enterprise" and the silly Sela plot.
Beverly Crusher was dumped after one season which was as stupid as when they dumped Kes. However, in the Crusher case those in charge did realise their mistake and brought back Crusher aftere one years absence. All the time after Kes was dumped, I wished that they would realize their mistake and bring her back too but.............
Wesley Crusher was dumped after three seasons. However, they had him as a recurring character for the rest of the series and even if I don't like how they messed him up in "Journey's End" when he left with that sleazy Traveler, they didn't ruin him as they did with Kes in that insulting season 6 episode.
So except maybe for Yar, TNG never reached the unnesessary character destruction we had to stand in Voyager. And yes, I can watch all seasons of TNG But I must state that each season of TNG had more bum episodes than season 1, season 2 and season 3 of Voyager had.
As for Crusher, I think they wasted a golden opportunity there. They should have ahd him continue as a Starfleet officer and then the next series could have been about Wesley as a captain of his own ship. Instead they brought us "Enterprise" and now "Discovery", another pre-TOS series.
We might be able to choke Cap'n Wesley down nowadays since Wheaton is pretty popular but back then.. are you kidding me?!
DEATH. DEATH TO THE FRANCHISE.
It would make every top ten list of worst ever tv decisions.. ever.
Also as pleasant as Wheaton is with his geek-cred schtick I can't see him as any kind of captain. The long, sweatered shadow of Wesley would never go away.
DEATH. DEATH TO THE FRANCHISE.
It would make every top ten list of worst ever tv decisions.. ever.
Also as pleasant as Wheaton is with his geek-cred schtick I can't see him as any kind of captain. The long, sweatered shadow of Wesley would never go away.
I forgot all about Wesley. I was referring to Pulaski as the 3rd. You said "They dumped Crusher after one season." Then to bring her back, they dumped Pulaski after one season. I kinda liked Pulaski. She had much more acting chops than Mcfaddon, who was a Henson puppeteer if I remember correctly.Well, let's take a look at this!
They wrote off Tasha Yar because the actress wanted to quit. I didn't like that they killed off Yar but in this case it was clear that the actress wanted out and both those in charge and the actress came out with clear statements about it at that time. However, it was a mistake to kill off Yar since the actress did change her mind and wanted to come back, therefore we had to stand "Yesterday's Enterprise" and the silly Sela plot.
Beverly Crusher was dumped after one season which was as stupid as when they dumped Kes. However, in the Crusher case those in charge did realise their mistake and brought back Crusher aftere one years absence. All the time after Kes was dumped, I wished that they would realize their mistake and bring her back too but.............
Wesley Crusher was dumped after three seasons. However, they had him as a recurring character for the rest of the series and even if I don't like how they messed him up in "Journey's End" when he left with that sleazy Traveler, they didn't ruin him as they did with Kes in that insulting season 6 episode.
So except maybe for Yar, TNG never reached the unnesessary character destruction we had to stand in Voyager. And yes, I can watch all seasons of TNG But I must state that each season of TNG had more bum episodes than season 1, season 2 and season 3 of Voyager had.
As for Crusher, I think they wasted a golden opportunity there. They should have ahd him continue as a Starfleet officer and then the next series could have been about Wesley as a captain of his own ship. Instead they brought us "Enterprise" and now "Discovery", another pre-TOS series.
Do you have a quote or anything from anyone involved in the show? Or even vaguely remember one? I've heard this story here and am very skeptical. When producers are going to not renew a contract of an actor in an ongoing show, there are legitimate reasons to do so.
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I can see your points here. I'm aware of the fact that Wesley was hated back in those days even if I never could understand why. Not to mention that the hatred I found on many forums actually made me like the character!
Creating a series with Wesley as a captain immediately after DS9 and Voyager ended would have been a terrible mistake because of the reasons that both of you point out.
But later on? Why not?
After the failure with "Enterprise" and the lame NuTrek movies, it could have been a good idea. It would have been a new start for 24th century Trek and since Wheaton seem to be popular nowadays I guess that many TNG fans would have found the idea interesting.
Instead we get another pre-TOS series.
I can clearly hear the words: "DEATH. DEATH TO THE FRANCHISE."
I was p***ed that they dumped Crusher and I never really liked Pulaski.
Therefore I was happy that they realized their mistake then and brought back Crusher.
Now many years later when I've watched the series on DVD I must admit that Pulaski wasn't that bad.
Still I think that Crusher is better and I also find McFadden a very good actress.
