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WB's Justice League 2017 movie pre-discussion thread

I imagine this has been the snag the Flash movie has run into. With various directors leaving, and the script getting a page one rewrite. Just look at the imagery of the DCEU Flash and the DCTV Flash since 2016 to now.

I mean, were talking REALLY on the nose with the shot for shot similarities.

Well, you could probably say much the same about different screen renderings of Superman or the Hulk or Tarzan, say. I'm more concerned with finding a distinctive story approach.

I do think they've succeeded in making the Flash's speed effects look quite distinctive from the show's version. The show has Barry trailing orange lightning; the movie version is more like he's engulfed in a blue energy field that lets him exist at an accelerated time rate. I compared it before to the Abrams Star Trek warp effect, but it also reminds me of the TV show's Speed Force environment. If we go with the conceit that the DCEU is one of the parallel Earths in the TV multiverse, then maybe this iteration of Barry is actually somehow drawing the Speed Force out of its own dimension and surrounding himself with it in the physical world.

I like it that the DCEU Flash's costume stand is a crash test dummy. His setup has more of a makeshift flavor, and I guess even his armor has sort of a cobbled-together quality.


I'm not really sure why they * need * to make the big and small-screen versions of Barry Allen different from one another in terms of their basic characterization, as the way in which the DCEU Barry gets used is going to obviously be different than how the small-screen Barry is being used simply by the nature of what the DCEU is looking to accomplish.

I didn't say their characterizations had to be different; I just hope the movies do something storywise with the Flash that feels new and non-redundant.
 
I'm still a bit surprised they didn't just go with one of the other Flashes, that way they wouldn't have to worry as much about how similar theirs is to the Arrowverse version.
It's only been part of Barry's backstory since 2009; I think it's a reach to call that a "default." Its use in both places undoubtedly has more to do with the fact that Geoff Johns created it.
Sure, but as far as I know pretty much every version since then which has dealt with his backstory has used this one. Even if it's newer, it's still the one the one everyone is going with.
 
I'm still a bit surprised they didn't just go with one of the other Flashes, that way they wouldn't have to worry as much about how similar theirs is to the Arrowverse version.

At first, I thought it'd make more sense to go with Wally West, but now the show has its own Wally.
 
I didn't say their characterizations had to be different; I just hope the movies do something storywise with the Flash that feels new and non-redundant.

I can think of a couple of things to differentiate the Justice League Flash from the CW Flash.

First, don't give Barry a support team.

Second, don't make Barry an idiot.

If JL-Barry is a solo operator who's not his own worst enemy, I'm sure that he'll be different enough from CW-Barry to stand on his own. :)

If the decision had been mine to make, I would have made JL-Flash Wally or Bart, or maybe even John Fox, but it wasn't my decision -- fortunately! -- and Geoff Johns has an obvious preference for Barry over any of his successors, just as he has an obvious preference for Hal Jordan over any other Green Lantern.
 
For me, the fact that the DCEU's Barry got his start stopping a robbery, was operating "under the radar", and is part of the Justice League is more than enough to differentiate him from TV!Barry, but others' mileage may vary.
 
along with Geoff Johns' increased role with the movies,

Geoff Johns had a huge role on the shit fest that was Green Lantern.

Yeah, Johns contributed to the "every hero needs to have a tragic backstory" trope with his Barry Allen origin in 2009.

Which is weird because I remember when Geoff Johns was writing Wally, he had an issue where Wally says something to the effect of, and I'm paraphrasing here: "When I got my powers, I became a super hero. Not because someone killed my parents when I was a kid. Not because I'm trying to make up for a loved one getting killed, or avenging someone. I'm a superhero because it's the right thing to do and I enjoy it." At the time, I took that as a potshot at, mostly, Marvel. When we got "New, Tragic Origin Barry" I was like "Hey, what happened to "I didn't have or need some dark event to make me do the right thing"?
 
Snyder Interview on JL.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...-team-in-new-justice-league-trailer/99569374/




Geoff Johns had a huge role on the shit fest that was Green Lantern.

Yeah, Johns is a producer on all the DCTV shows, GL, BvS and now for all future DC movies with John Berg. If you're familiar with his works on the comics, you can see where his ideas creep in.

Which is weird because I remember when Geoff Johns was writing Wally, he had an issue where Wally says something to the effect of, and I'm paraphrasing here: "When I got my powers, I became a super hero. Not because someone killed my parents when I was a kid. Not because I'm trying to make up for a loved one getting killed, or avenging someone. I'm a superhero because it's the right thing to do and I enjoy it." At the time, I took that as a potshot at, mostly, Marvel. When we got "New, Tragic Origin Barry" I was like "Hey, what happened to "I didn't have or need some dark event to make me do the right thing"?
Late 90s Johns vs Johns in the late 00s. After he got big with JSA, GL, Infinite Crisis and Teen Titans. Nothing could stop him. Barry coming back and having a tragic backstory retconned in, fits the tone of comics of that era, and where Johns was with his writing at the time. He needed some impetus to spin new yarn and add angst to his Flash run.
 
I just watched the trailer again, and I've got a few more comments now.
I'm getting a bit of a bromance vibe from Batman and Aquaman, if all of their screen time is like the clips in the trailer I could see that being a really fun relationship.
Who were the Amazons fighting in the big battle they show? I had assumed they were Parademons at first, but after I went back and paused it, and they look to small to be them.
I did catch Lois this time.
 
Looks like fun. I'm expecting...

Big Superman return and WWE style heel turn at the end, setting up Justice League 2 in the apocalyptic future Bruce dreamt of throughout Batman V Superman where the team have to stop a somehow corrupted Superman
 
I believe Johns did the final pass on the script before production began.

Is that a fact? Because he wasn't credited.

Writing Credits (WGA)
Greg Berlanti ... (screenplay) &
Michael Green ... (screenplay) &
Marc Guggenheim ... (screenplay) and
Michael Goldenberg ... (screenplay)

Greg Berlanti ... (screen story) &
Michael Green ... (screen story) &
Marc Guggenheim ... (screen story)
 
"When I got my powers, I became a super hero. Not because someone killed my parents when I was a kid. Not because I'm trying to make up for a loved one getting killed, or avenging someone. I'm a superhero because it's the right thing to do and I enjoy it." At the time, I took that as a potshot at, mostly, Marvel.
That was a Batman thing long before it was a Marvel thing.
 
I'm getting a bit of a bromance vibe from Batman and Aquaman, if all of their screen time is like the clips in the trailer I could see that being a really fun relationship.

I doubt it'll be as much fun as the Batman/Aquaman relationship in Batman: The Brave and the Bold, but I'm hoping it'll at least be similar.


Script doctors rarely are. Joss Whedon wasn't credited on X-Men.

Didn't they only use, like, two lines from his draft? One of which had its delivery totally bungled by Halle Berry?

My go-to example for Whedon's script doctoring is Speed. Graham Yost gets sole screenplay credit, but virtually every line of dialogue in the movie is Whedon's.
 
Is that a fact? Because he wasn't credited.

Neither was Nick Meyer on The Wrath of Khan. Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal have story credits on The Undiscovered Country despite them literally regurgitating the story document that Meyer shared with them and just changing some wording. John Logan is credited as writing The Aviator despite him being rewritten top-to-bottom by an uncredited Michael Mann.

The credits of a movie very, very rarely actually indicate who's responsible for what's on the page.
 
Didn't they only use, like, two lines from his draft? One of which had its delivery totally bungled by Halle Berry?

The only line that I'm certain is Whedon's is "You're a dick."

A rather famous example of a page one rewrite where the writer went uncredited was Nick Meyer on Star Trek II. Whedon may have been a bad choice for a point of comparison to Johns' role on Green Lantern's script and Meyer a better one. :)

My understanding on Green Lantern was that Johns did a page one rewrite to fix the script, and then it was burchered in the editing room because WB got cold feet and wanted something else.
 
Neither was Nick Meyer on The Wrath of Khan. Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal have story credits on The Undiscovered Country despite them literally regurgitating the story document that Meyer shared with them and just changing some wording. John Logan is credited as writing The Aviator despite him being rewritten top-to-bottom by an uncredited Michael Mann.

The credits of a movie very, very rarely actually indicate who's responsible for what's on the page.

And somehow all this proves that Geoff Johns worked on Green Lantern… exactly how?
 
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