Which doesn't really mean a whole lot, because writers were (and are) free to ignore this whenever it suited them.
Starfleet is a Space Navy (military fleet)
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Which doesn't really mean a whole lot, because writers were (and are) free to ignore this whenever it suited them.
And that is Star Trek's biggest failing. The franchise would be better off adopting the Doctor Who approach to canon, if it gets in the way of the story, jettison it. Canon is a guidepost and should only be treated as such.
And what about TOS where Starfleet was the military and the Federation did have money?
This is sort of like saying "Yeah, well, the writers could just say that all of Deep Space Nine was just a really long dream Zefram Cochrane had on a train from Bozeman, Montana to Las Vegas, so we might as well ignore whole swaths of canon just cuz"... Just because the writers technically have the ability to redefine the canon doesn't mean anything at present. If and/or when the writers actually do change the standing on the military and/or currency thing, then we'll cross that bridge when and/or if we come to it.
A century passed and things changed.
That wasn't the question. You said that Starfleet not being a military and the Federation not using money are the distinctive traits that make Star Trek Star Trek. Since TOS depicted Starfleet as a military and showed the Federation did have money, by your logic, are you not saying TOS isn't Star Trek?
On TOS Kirk constantly used his position to bang everyone (and in a few cases, thing...) under his command. I wouldn't exactly call that a shining example of what we should be calling 'military'.
Also, I don't ever recall money being seen on-screen on TOS. A few characters used "money", or "pay", figuratively in a few random lines, but we never actually see any characters using money. And by TOS era films, Kirk, Spock, et al. were clearly stating that they did not use currency. Most explicitly stated during several scenes of The Voyage Home.
Also, I don't ever recall money being seen on-screen on TOS. A few characters used "money", or "pay", figuratively in a few random lines, but we never actually see any characters using money. And by TOS era films, Kirk, Spock, et al. were clearly stating that they did not use currency. Most explicitly stated during several scenes of The Voyage Home.
Laugh all you want.
Funny that.
The cycle presented (for the military, not the money) is that Starfleet is not the military, but when war is presented they are conscripted (sort of) into being a military for the duration of the conflict. This would fit the Dominion War and the long periods of conflict with the Klingon Empire seen prior to the Organian Peace Treaty, during the post-TMP films until the Khotomer Conference, and then during the alternate timeline when the Enterprise-C vanished. This could also have been what the likes of Admiral Cartwright were worried about as the militarized Starfleet gave people power and/or purpose. Some had been into that for too long and couldn't remember the times when they were not the military and that Starfleet would be just fine like it had been prior to their conflicts with the Klingons. The Alternate timeline setting where Enterprise-D is a warship was during a 20 or so year long losing war with the Klingon Empire. During this time the Galaxy-class starships were constructed and likely fitted out for combat due to the Klingons gaining the upper hand against the older starships...those left over from the days of the 23rd century conflict with the Klingons, and those ships built during the 50 or so years of peace. With Starfleet losing, it would make sense they would militarize for the sake of survival, and even then it was suspected that the Federation defenses would fall in six months to a year, even if they happened to have a ship like USS Defiant in the works, it would be too little too late to stop the Klingons.
The Dominion War seems to have been fought because, as Sisko put it, "They were losing the peace" leading the Federation to the conclusion that War might be their only hope for survival.
The Dominion War seems to have been fought because, as Sisko put it, "They were losing the peace" leading the Federation to the conclusion that War might be their only hope for survival.
When did Kirk "bang" anyone under his command?
I don't believe Spock made any statements on money one way or the other in the movies, in the series he did indicate that his training came at a financial price.
Physical currency isn't the most common form of money even today, Uhura obviously was going to buy a tribble prior to being given one.
Narrative rules. Once you start breaking them willy billy, it loses internal consistency, which is almost always a bad thing....look at say, Highlander 2.
Star Trek IV. 'They still use money'
Almost no canon has been dropped from televised Who, only things explained by Time Travel, and a few tiny retcons that are usually explainable. The immutable bits have remained exactly that, everything else is time travel. Who can do that.
Can you rewrite that a bit please? It doesn't make sense.
It does. Who, in this instance, refers to Doctor Who, same as Trek is shorthand for Star Trek.
His womanising ways are something of a myth, but there are implied 'things at the Christmas party' with the science gal from the one with the Tantalus colony and a couple of odd moments here and there. Gaby was hyperbolic, but Kirk was implied to be a bit that way. There's a lot of First Contacts where he made first base as well.
All of it none of it makes any sense. And, explain yourself a bit better. What do you mean by 'no canon' Do you want one ? And, what do you mean by 'tinee' ? Oh, sorry, I'm all fingers and thumbs this morning. 'Tiny'. ?
A military can operate in a Demilitarized Zone without getting de-militarized themselves. For example the U.N. Peacekeepers who serve in such zones and remain members of their respective armed forces.
Doctor Who tends to not toss out its canon but instead works with it, or changes it via time travel. And even then it sometimes just comes back once a writer find it again (the difficulty with finding the "lost episodes" from the First and Second Doctors' era being part of the reason some stuff was different, but then later became the same again).
Doctor Who can get away with changes to its universe because of time travel, but they also tend to point out the changes specifically in the show. About the largest change that I can recall that hasn't been explained was the appearance of the Silurians, which might have been covered as several subspecies of the race across a larger part of Earth distant past. IT was probably covered someplace, but I've not seen every episode yet, nor read the novels at all.
The Doctor has reset the universe...more than once I think.
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