Spoilers Sleepy Hollow Season 4
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When Crane and Molly got trapped in the archive, I thought we'd be in for a money-saving bottle show, but instead, most of the action was focused on the other characters outside.
Well, the full episode finally appeared. When it first appeared on On Demand on Sunday, only the first 27 minutes were there. Gotta love Comcast.
So, in all, we got an ancient Chinese demon in a box, a connection to the American Revolution, a connection to the Donner Party, which as a side note kicked off the Gold Rush, and it all ties together with a megalomaniac's plan to resurrect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I liked Diana's remark that, "Only in our world could this make sense."
I almost felt bad for the Headless Horseman. It was kinda weird to see him half dead-- or maybe that should be half immobilized-- on a pile of rubble. It's good that he still has a place in the series as the ending approaches. I wonder if Crane's wife will get a cameo before it's all over. Abbie should, but probably won't due to real-world reasons.
And it seems pretty obvious at this point that Alex has a thing for Jake. And I think he's starting to figure it out.
They're really going for the Pulp vibe this season. "And only we can stop him."
So, in all, we got an ancient Chinese demon in a box, a connection to the American Revolution, a connection to the Donner Party, which as a side note kicked off the Gold Rush, and it all ties together with a megalomaniac's plan to resurrect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. I liked Diana's remark that, "Only in our world could this make sense."
I almost felt bad for the Headless Horseman. It was kinda weird to see him half dead-- or maybe that should be half immobilized-- on a pile of rubble. It's good that he still has a place in the series as the ending approaches. I wonder if Crane's wife will get a cameo before it's all over. Abbie should, but probably won't due to real-world reasons.
And it seems pretty obvious at this point that Alex has a thing for Jake. And I think he's starting to figure it out.
They're really going for the Pulp vibe this season. "And only we can stop him."
Yay, Seychelle Gabriel! You know, what with the subplot about Jenny thinking of leaving, when they introduced a new badass female character who was a match for Jenny in fighting prowess and supernatural knowledge, I wondered if she was being introduced as Jenny's replacement. But if she's actually Molly come back from a dystopian alternate future, I'm not sure how feasible that is. Could there be two Mollys on an ongoing basis? Would she still exist if the Dreyfuss future were prevented? Still, having the second Witness be an adult again would make sense for the show going forward.
A bit odd, though, seeing Seychelle Gabriel, who's Mexican/French/Italian, playing the daughter of Janina Gavankar, who's Indian-American. Although with a name like Diana Thomas, it's hard to tell what the character's ethnicity is supposed to be.
Turning Crane himself into one of the Horsemen is a most unexpected twist. There's a certain symmetry to it, though, since his old rival Abraham became the Horseman of Death. I assume it won't take more than an episode or two to undo the transformation, though.
A bit odd, though, seeing Seychelle Gabriel, who's Mexican/French/Italian, playing the daughter of Janina Gavankar, who's Indian-American. Although with a name like Diana Thomas, it's hard to tell what the character's ethnicity is supposed to be.
Turning Crane himself into one of the Horsemen is a most unexpected twist. There's a certain symmetry to it, though, since his old rival Abraham became the Horseman of Death. I assume it won't take more than an episode or two to undo the transformation, though.
Outside of real life ethnicity differences I called her being Molly from the future 1/4 of the way through.
It never occurred to me. I guess I was thinking too much in behind-the-curtain terms -- "Is this a new character they've created to replace Jenny?" And mainly I just thought it was cool that Asami from The Legend of Korra was on the show.
I did not see Molly from the Apocalyptic Future coming. But time travel is not unprecedented on this show. It was chilling to hear her say that "a very different Crane" helped her escape into the past. Conversely, it was very heartening that she grew up to be a hero despite being essentially raised by Dreyfus. Also, it was nice to see Seychelle Gabriel-- she played Lourdes on Falling Skies, who was probably my favorite character on the show.
And I certainly didn't see Crane getting co-opted as the Horseman of War. Interesting that Dreyfus had intended to use Agent Thomas as his Fourth Horseman-- even more interesting that Crane took the bullet, because that means the future has already been changed. How it's been changed remains to be seen, though. But that was a pretty damn creepy cliffhanger.
I think I must have missed something about Banneker's gun, though. I don't understand how it turns people into the Horseman of War. Maybe I'll go back and watch again if I have time.
And we did indeed have a little movement on the Jake and Alex front. It was good to see that Alex has finally figured out what's going on, but Jake's cluelessness doesn't bode well. I hope he catches on quickly, because there's only two episodes to go.
And I certainly didn't see Crane getting co-opted as the Horseman of War. Interesting that Dreyfus had intended to use Agent Thomas as his Fourth Horseman-- even more interesting that Crane took the bullet, because that means the future has already been changed. How it's been changed remains to be seen, though. But that was a pretty damn creepy cliffhanger.
I think I must have missed something about Banneker's gun, though. I don't understand how it turns people into the Horseman of War. Maybe I'll go back and watch again if I have time.
And we did indeed have a little movement on the Jake and Alex front. It was good to see that Alex has finally figured out what's going on, but Jake's cluelessness doesn't bode well. I hope he catches on quickly, because there's only two episodes to go.
Wow, everything's being drawn into this now. We've got Lara/Molly from the future, a resurrected Henry, another return to Sleepy Hollow (reusing not only the Archives and Masonic cell sets but Corbin's cabin as well), even a couple of mentions of Katrina for the first time in quite a while, and the reuse of some old spells and artifacts from the past. Plus a long cold open showing us the dystopian future Lara came from.
I was a little confused about the goo that Henry was reborn from, but I think it was the goo from that monster that trapped Crane in the "trial" in his mind where Henry appeared as the prosecutor. I thought that Henry was just an illusion, but now it seems it was his actual soul?
I was thinking last week that the producers might have intended Lara as a new regular, a way of having two adult Witnesses on the show again, but I wasn't sure how they'd reconcile that with young Molly still being around and Lara's future presumably erased. But there was a lot this week that reinforced my belief that that's their plan. For one thing, her sticking to the name Lara helps differentiate her from Molly. Also, she talked a lot about how she was a different person from whoever Molly would now become, and how the world they were now living in was different from the future she came from because she saved Diana from being Horseman-ized. All of which seemed to be laying the groundwork for keeping her around as a distinct character while keeping young Molly around too.
But it seems the season finale is next week, sooner than I expected. Looks like this was only a 13-episode season, same as the first was. In fact, the middle two seasons were only 18 episodes each -- I hadn't realized how short all the seasons have been.
I was a little confused about the goo that Henry was reborn from, but I think it was the goo from that monster that trapped Crane in the "trial" in his mind where Henry appeared as the prosecutor. I thought that Henry was just an illusion, but now it seems it was his actual soul?
I was thinking last week that the producers might have intended Lara as a new regular, a way of having two adult Witnesses on the show again, but I wasn't sure how they'd reconcile that with young Molly still being around and Lara's future presumably erased. But there was a lot this week that reinforced my belief that that's their plan. For one thing, her sticking to the name Lara helps differentiate her from Molly. Also, she talked a lot about how she was a different person from whoever Molly would now become, and how the world they were now living in was different from the future she came from because she saved Diana from being Horseman-ized. All of which seemed to be laying the groundwork for keeping her around as a distinct character while keeping young Molly around too.
But it seems the season finale is next week, sooner than I expected. Looks like this was only a 13-episode season, same as the first was. In fact, the middle two seasons were only 18 episodes each -- I hadn't realized how short all the seasons have been.
This was a great episode, but it does feel like they know they're winding things up. It's like they're using all the classic elements of the show whenever they can. Katrina's time travel spell, Corbin's cabin, Henry's connection to the Horseman of War, et cetera. I'm glad Future Molly freed Crane so quickly-- I was afraid they would wait till the last minute and I didn't want him to spend the last episode as not himself.
No progress on the Jake and Alex front, but they did get to fight the undead. "So... Zombie Hessians are going to attack Sleepy Hollow." And Crane turns the table on the Horseman of War to sweep in for the last-minute save. Pure Pulp drama.
I suspect that Henry is setting himself up to be a mole for the good guys. He mentioned at least twice that he came from Ichabod's memories and that he was the son that Ichabod chose to remember-- that's got to be a Henry who is a hero. And that would certainly be appropriate for the spirit of the show.
I hope that Future Molly won't die, and I don't think she will. It was sort of implied that she became disconnected from Present Molly when she changed the future, so that both can co-exist. I'm fine with that, since I like both the character and the actress, and it's a perfectly legitimate rule of time travel since time travel doesn't exist.
No progress on the Jake and Alex front, but they did get to fight the undead. "So... Zombie Hessians are going to attack Sleepy Hollow."
And Crane turns the table on the Horseman of War to sweep in for the last-minute save. Pure Pulp drama. I suspect that Henry is setting himself up to be a mole for the good guys. He mentioned at least twice that he came from Ichabod's memories and that he was the son that Ichabod chose to remember-- that's got to be a Henry who is a hero. And that would certainly be appropriate for the spirit of the show.
I hope that Future Molly won't die, and I don't think she will. It was sort of implied that she became disconnected from Present Molly when she changed the future, so that both can co-exist. I'm fine with that, since I like both the character and the actress, and it's a perfectly legitimate rule of time travel since time travel doesn't exist.
RJDiogenes said:
But the second time he said that (to Dreyfuss), he was mocking his earlier words, saying that that was the lie he'd used to get Crane's team to trust him.
I heard it in a Bond movie once, during the Thatcher era. That's the first time I ever heard it.
Pretty good finale, if a bit rushed. The cable guy interrupting "Icky Bob Crane" and Lara during their demonic incantation was classic Sleepy Hollow. Ichabod finding common ground with Henry and getting him to stand down was cool too, if perhaps a bit too easy. And it was all nice and heartfelt as the team bonded and formally came together in Bureau 355 or whatever it's called. The end of last season gave the impression that the 355 thing would be the new status quo from the start of season 4, but instead they've spent the whole 13-episode season gradually establishing the agency and making it feel earned. It's like the whole season was a pilot for the new incarnation of the series.
And I like where they've ended up, with the team now so closely bonded, and with Ichabod and Lara now as the Witnesses permanently (which I assume means that Seychelle Gabriel will be a regular if there's a season 5). Gabriel is nowhere near Nicole Beharie in the talent department (few are), and she doesn't have the same magical chemistry with Tom Mison, but I like her, and she's gorgeous, so she's a pretty good consolation prize, along with Janina Gavankar. I like the symmetry that the Witnesses are a man from the past and a woman from the future, even if it's a much nearer future.
I'm not so sure about the idea of Crane selling his soul to the Devil. That's rarely the sort of thing that leads to good outcomes, and it seems to compromise him that he made the same deal Dreyfus did. I also don't see why it was necessary. As Crane and Lara rightly pointed out, Dreyfus was cheating the Devil with his immortality. Okay, yes, he was bringing chaos and despair to countless other souls, which is a win for Team Satan, but he was still in breach of contract, and the Devil's supposed to be a stickler for such things.
I'm surprised they dropped the thing from a few weeks ago about Jenny being tempted to leave the team and go on a treasure hunt of her own. They set that whole thing up, and with that happening alongside Lara's arrival, I'd assumed they were planning to phase out Jenny and have Lara take her place as the resident kickass supernatural expert. But instead they just ignored that whole thing and left it unresolved. I like Jenny, and I don't want to lose the last connection to the Mills legacy, but if they can't serve her character better, maybe they shouldn't keep her around. She didn't really have much of an arc this season compared to the others, and she did feel kind of like an afterthought, a leftover element from the old format without a clear role in the new one.
And I like where they've ended up, with the team now so closely bonded, and with Ichabod and Lara now as the Witnesses permanently (which I assume means that Seychelle Gabriel will be a regular if there's a season 5). Gabriel is nowhere near Nicole Beharie in the talent department (few are), and she doesn't have the same magical chemistry with Tom Mison, but I like her, and she's gorgeous, so she's a pretty good consolation prize, along with Janina Gavankar. I like the symmetry that the Witnesses are a man from the past and a woman from the future, even if it's a much nearer future.
I'm not so sure about the idea of Crane selling his soul to the Devil. That's rarely the sort of thing that leads to good outcomes, and it seems to compromise him that he made the same deal Dreyfus did. I also don't see why it was necessary. As Crane and Lara rightly pointed out, Dreyfus was cheating the Devil with his immortality. Okay, yes, he was bringing chaos and despair to countless other souls, which is a win for Team Satan, but he was still in breach of contract, and the Devil's supposed to be a stickler for such things.
I'm surprised they dropped the thing from a few weeks ago about Jenny being tempted to leave the team and go on a treasure hunt of her own. They set that whole thing up, and with that happening alongside Lara's arrival, I'd assumed they were planning to phase out Jenny and have Lara take her place as the resident kickass supernatural expert. But instead they just ignored that whole thing and left it unresolved. I like Jenny, and I don't want to lose the last connection to the Mills legacy, but if they can't serve her character better, maybe they shouldn't keep her around. She didn't really have much of an arc this season compared to the others, and she did feel kind of like an afterthought, a leftover element from the old format without a clear role in the new one.
Well, If this was indeed the very last episode of Sleepy Hollow, it did give us a satisfying resolution to the current story, as well as lots of great character moments, and an open-ended finale that allows us the knowledge that the characters will continue on.
We got our last flashback to the Revolutionary Era, where we learned the origin of America's (real) motto, "E Pluribus Unum," which featured prominently in the story-- allowing our heroes to find supernatural weapons capable of battling the Four Horsemen. Unexpectedly, we also got a literal trip to Hell, where Crane was able to obtain the means of short-circuiting Dreyfus's immortality. The conception of Hell seemed kind of inconsistent with the usual aesthetics of the show-- I liked how Crane saw Valley Forge and Laura saw her orphanage, but that endless white mall was kind of weird. But that's a minor point.
Crane's conflict with Henry was not quite resolved, and my prediction that Henry was only pretending to side with Dreyfus did not come true, but I like that Crane was able to defeat the Horseman of War with superior rhetoric. That was a nice touch. The defeat of Dreyfus and the Horsemen almost seemed anticlimactic, but there was a lot squeezed into this episode, and it was really the character resolutions that I was most interested in anyway. And whether or not we ever get a continuation, the characters were all left in a good place-- and I was quite relieved that nobody died, especially Crane.
My favorite moment, of course, was Crane finally becoming a citizen of the country he helped create. "Raise your hand-- welcome to America." And by presidential decree, no less. Agency 355 now reports directly to the president, which will make any future stories very interesting. Agent Thomas is both officially part of the team and has recognized that she belongs there. Alex and Jake are together, and their moment was not overdone. Jenny, as far as we know, is not leaving. Laura did not disappear when Dreyfus died, so she is existing independently of her timeline and will no doubt return someday. Molly is free of being a Witness-- and seemingly a little disappointed at that-- but will clearly grow up to continue the fight.
The only loose ends, I think, are Henry's whereabouts and Crane's pact with the devil. I didn't really like that revelation about the pact-- I expected Crane's response to Diana to be more of a "Devil and Daniel Webster" kind of thing, so that was a little disappointing. But no big deal. We know they'll all find a way to fix it somehow.
"E Pluribus Unum. I like it."
We got our last flashback to the Revolutionary Era, where we learned the origin of America's (real) motto, "E Pluribus Unum," which featured prominently in the story-- allowing our heroes to find supernatural weapons capable of battling the Four Horsemen. Unexpectedly, we also got a literal trip to Hell, where Crane was able to obtain the means of short-circuiting Dreyfus's immortality. The conception of Hell seemed kind of inconsistent with the usual aesthetics of the show-- I liked how Crane saw Valley Forge and Laura saw her orphanage, but that endless white mall was kind of weird. But that's a minor point.
Crane's conflict with Henry was not quite resolved, and my prediction that Henry was only pretending to side with Dreyfus did not come true, but I like that Crane was able to defeat the Horseman of War with superior rhetoric. That was a nice touch. The defeat of Dreyfus and the Horsemen almost seemed anticlimactic, but there was a lot squeezed into this episode, and it was really the character resolutions that I was most interested in anyway. And whether or not we ever get a continuation, the characters were all left in a good place-- and I was quite relieved that nobody died, especially Crane.
My favorite moment, of course, was Crane finally becoming a citizen of the country he helped create. "Raise your hand-- welcome to America." And by presidential decree, no less. Agency 355 now reports directly to the president, which will make any future stories very interesting. Agent Thomas is both officially part of the team and has recognized that she belongs there. Alex and Jake are together, and their moment was not overdone. Jenny, as far as we know, is not leaving. Laura did not disappear when Dreyfus died, so she is existing independently of her timeline and will no doubt return someday. Molly is free of being a Witness-- and seemingly a little disappointed at that-- but will clearly grow up to continue the fight.
The only loose ends, I think, are Henry's whereabouts and Crane's pact with the devil. I didn't really like that revelation about the pact-- I expected Crane's response to Diana to be more of a "Devil and Daniel Webster" kind of thing, so that was a little disappointing. But no big deal. We know they'll all find a way to fix it somehow.
"E Pluribus Unum. I like it."
Shopping mall? That was pretty clearly a hotel atrium; no mall would have that many stories. The show is filmed in Atlanta, and there are a few hotels there with that kind of interior. It might've been the atrium tower of the Hyatt Regency Atlanta. I don't think it was the Marriott Marquis (which was used as the Tributes' quarters in The Hunger Games: Catching Fire), since the balconies weren't as curvy.
Except a hotel atrium generally wouldn't have all those escalators - that's more of a shopping mall thing (unless some-one did a cracker of a digital composition job)
Actually there is a pair of escalators in the foreground of the Hyatt Regency photo I linked to. Here's an angle looking down on them from above.
And they were shopping for a way to kill Dreyfus, I suppose.Well it is said that shopping is hell
I thought that episode was absolute crap--so cornball it was just embarrassing. If this was the last episode ever then, well, that's fine by me.
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