Yeah that Irish guy though I wasn't counting holodeck sex.
Trek's lowest moment
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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Let's move away from the slug-shaming.
Whether you like the movie or not doesn't bother me. Your characterization of it does.
Nemesis did not kill the franchise as a whole. It's failure was the culmination of several shows with decreasing ratings, less fan interest, more scifi shows/movies available and "franchise fatigue". I like the movie(not love) but I can see why people didn't attend at the box office (the dvd/vhs sales at the time though set a record for all Star Trek movies). This fatigue continued with Enterprise and finally to me, the "dark age of Trek" lasted from 2005 to about 2009. Not 10 years, but 4.
The other issue is the "dark age" itself. Even during that fallow period, I kept pointing out on this BBS that other forms of trek continued, though all with less popularity. Merchandising, books, comics all kept going...not bad for a "dark age" really. I even claimed it would make a comeback, first with movies, then TV within a 10 year period. At the time, the "Trek is dead" mantra reigned supreme and a lot of people scoffed. :-)
RAMA
My vote as well. Only Voyager, season 2 rivals it for me for sheer awfulness.
I thought those were some of TOS fans favorite s3 episodes. I've heard people gush over how powerful they are.
To be fair, I don't think we can reduce a whole season of a series to a "Trek low point." Voyager season 2 had Projections, Meld, The Thaw, Death Wish, Tuvix, Resolutions, and Deadlock. Season 4 of DS9 was on at this time also, and this was the year of Star Trek: First Contact.
They powerfully bonk you on the head with the unsubtlety of the points they're getting across.
Kor
Can't say much for the writing quality, but Voyager S2's production value was the most ambitious Berman-era ever got.
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield isn't bad, but it is rather preachy. Plato's Stepchildren is terrible. You know you're in trouble when the highlight of the episode is Shatner pretending to be a horse.
Slug shaming?
I truly feel there are much lower moments for the franchise than the third season of TOS. A weaker season of one of the best shows ever made for television is hardly a low point.
Plato's Stepchildren is one of my absolute least favorite episodes of TOS, but even it, after a recent re-watch, had some very interesting characters and concepts that I still find superior to what other series offered up later.
It was a pun on the phrase, given who we were talking about.
Well morals aside promiscuous behavior does increase the risk of unwanted pregnancies and STDs.
As it is my opinions on such issues are not the issue here.
Some other low moments-every single DS9 episode with a Vulcan it's insulting.
For the Uniform-I still can't believe all the Maquis survived Sisko gassing them.
Jake Sisko's girl obsession-good lord man people who watch Trek don't relate to that. It also annoying.
Kira not getting disciplined for her attitude, fits, and general insubordination. I'm not sure how Sisko tolerated her tantrums.
As it is my opinions on such issues are not the issue here.
Some other low moments-every single DS9 episode with a Vulcan it's insulting.
For the Uniform-I still can't believe all the Maquis survived Sisko gassing them.
Jake Sisko's girl obsession-good lord man people who watch Trek don't relate to that. It also annoying.
Kira not getting disciplined for her attitude, fits, and general insubordination. I'm not sure how Sisko tolerated her tantrums.
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