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24th century ships are luxury cruise ships combined with theme parks armed with photon torpedos. Bring the whole family!
Edit: Correction, it's not a fair comparison. Current luxury cruise ships operate under very little regulation. 24th century starship are safer and more luxurious than modern cruise ships.
Edit: Correction, it's not a fair comparison. Current luxury cruise ships operate under very little regulation. 24th century starship are safer and more luxurious than modern cruise ships.
LOL yeah pretty much. If you look at it as a mobile city in space, maybe families on board makes sense...kinda... But when that city is constantly exploring potentially dangerous places or aliens that can rip the ship in half with a single thought, maybe it's better to leave them on a space station somewhere.
I worked as a crew member on cruise ships for 7 years. They're one of the safest vacation experiences you can have. But there's no stopping stupid for finding ways to get in trouble when it comes to the passengers.
I wasn't referring to the physical safety features of the ship but the lack of any real regulations covering crimes, negligence, abuse, etc. Cruise ships operate under 19th century maritime law and are purposely registered in countries with laws that make them able to avoid legal responsibility for anything happening on their ships. If something happens to you on a cruise ship you have virtually no legal recourse against the ownership.
It's why Scientology has so many of its members out at sea. The ones on land can escape and press charges. Even if the ones serving on the ocean manage to escape while the ships are docked, they have no legal recourse.
http://www.cruiseresearch.org/Legal Issues Relevant to Cruise Ships.html
Question is if something bad happens to your family in a Galaxy class ship can you sue Starfleet?
do not forget the quantum torpedos
If it was negligence on the part of Starfleet I'm sure the captain and crew would be charged for it. We've seen court martial for negligence happen in many other episodes. I would suspect death in battle/other unforeseen circumstances not caused by negligence would be exempt.
I thought of that when the Borg cut out a section of the Enterprise's hull.
Same here.
And my statement wasn't limited to physical safety either. There were very few criminal instances that I ever witnessed in that 7 years. Security onboard is very tight with cameras monitoring every public area (including crew only spaces) from hallways to the dining rooms. The security officers on board take crime very seriously. (Most of them being ex British Navy officers).
Sure, but that doesn't change that there is no legal recourse for people it does happen to. I'm not alleging cruise ships are more dangerous than other vacations, I was stating they are unregulated and thus official Starfleet vessels operating under Federation law and Starfleet regs would be safer.
Here's a nicely sourced cracked article going over it vs the dry academic article I posted earlier.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/people-just-disappear-5-reasons-cruise-ships-are-nightmares/
That article is very badly slanted.
It's still a scifi thing, and ultimately...a power cut on earth won't kill you. Even on the D, things like 'Disaster' happen. And you will die, because ultimately it's a harsh environ... Starfleet kids are living in a dangerous place.
...of course it is. It's a comedy article from cracked. It's not trying to be an academic article. I posted one of those earlier. However, all the facts stated in it are directly sourced.
Again, I'm not stating cruise ships are dangerous. I wrote a flippant comment (not a post trying to dissuade people from taking them) where I said they are not regulated (true) so are probably more dangerous than a 24th century starship operating under Federation law and Starfleet regs.
For all I know cruise ships are, per capita, the safest vacation you can take today when compared to other popular trips and destinations. I've no idea what the general stats are I comparison to other vacations. If you have them and want to post them, go ahead. I'd be interested to see them.
They are poorly regulated though and you're screwed if something does happen.
A power cut is more likely to kill you today on Earth than it is on the 24th century on the D. The D has back up after back up. It's unlikely a person today has a generator. About 100 people died in the blackout in 2003 and that was in summer. Imagine if it was in Feb....
That they didn't stop and drop off the families somewhere or separate the ship before engaging the Borg is a command decision so negligent that I like to imagine in my head that the first option happened, off screen.
I'd like to think that as well. However, it would be impractical to do that before every possibly dangerous confrontation.
It was something that bugged me about TNG: it would be assumed that everything was safe enough in unknown areas of space to allow families to travel aboard.
I always liked the general concept because it was meant to show that Starfleet really isn't a navy in space but mostly a scientific research organization. After all it also seemed like most people on board Enterprise D were scientists.
But then obviously it made little sense to assume that the ship would never get into battles. So yeah... I liked the concept even if it made very little sense at times.
But then obviously it made little sense to assume that the ship would never get into battles. So yeah... I liked the concept even if it made very little sense at times.
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