Good Lord I agree with you, he takes Flowers of Algernon level regarded and ups to dumb as a rock retarded-as in like the IQ of a rock. It's painful to watch.
What is DS9's Biggest Misfire?
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I do not agree at all. I think killing her off was the only way it made any since. She is going to leave her husband and her best friends during the middle of a massive war? Doesn't fit. I don't agree with how they killed her off, but I'm glad they did. DS9 is the only Star Trek that ever really grew, the storylines moved forward (Way slower than I remember now that I'm rewatching it again.) and characters grew and changed with the times, there were marriages and deaths, it made it feel real and Jadzia dying added to that.
I agree with everyone who goes "Rom", I'm currently in the middle of season 6 and starting in season 5 he was really annoying. They increased his role and made him even stupider than he was. It was too much.
I agree with Farscape. The show had all these slow burn build ups to the war, but never enough time spent exploring the Gama. I hate Voyager but the one thing they did was introduce a ton of new species which is awesome.
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Jadzia and Worf was pretty dogon stupid. She seriously sees value in him?
We already had a beauty and the beast on TNG with Worf and Troi.
We already had a beauty and the beast on TNG with Worf and Troi.
Let's never ever talk about that abomination. Jadzia was a Klingon ambassador so I think it kind of fits.
Curzon was the Klingon ambassador Jadzia was a scientist-prodigy.
Opps, I meant Dax was. Yes, my bad. It makes sense to me.
I think it would have been interesting if the Skrreea also had a belief system centered on the Prophets / Wormhole Aliens, and it was more explicit that Bajor was supposed to be their promised land. And the planet that they ended up on should have been more harsh and inhospitable in comparison to Bajor.
Kor
What did it not work or did the a writer not like it?
It fell apart, I don't exactly remember why, something to do with Ezri and her past lives getting jumbled up.
I can hear actor who played Rom saying that in my head now....make it stop!
DS9 is an accumulation of all things Trek and more. Not a collection that was well thought out and organized. They had some great ideas on DS9, some beautifully executed. Avery Brooks was stellar as the captain of DS9. The various other characters developed along OK. Major-Colonel Kira became a great character, but her romance with Odo was just not believable. Sorry... a changeling is far too different physically.
Odo and his peculiar face. He started out looking much more human, then "devolved" into something like plastic surgery of a massive burn victim. They didn't explain it properly. It was said that it was difficult for Odo to imitate a face... but, he could accurately imitate plenty of complex objects. They could have easily said that the energy required to sustain a human face and all of its emotional aspects requires a lot of energy when done for long periods... so Odo chose a simpler form that required a lot less energy, given how he operates in humanoid form for most of his waking hours. I found it ridiculous that they never clearly pushed that explanation. Odo was developed very well, I think. And it was so logical for him to choose returning to the link. But the romance with Kira made absolutely no sense. Great friends, yes... but I just don't see how Odo would take any enjoyment having sex in human form, as his physiology is totally not geared for it. It would be like serving Kira as a sex toy...
I do agree Bashir was given too much edge with his genetic engineering feature. Jadzia Dax didn't evolve all that well, maybe because of writing or limits with Terry. I thought it was a good idea to kill her off, which added a nice exploration to the symbiant aspect. Worf became a bit of a curmudgeon. I think he should have died a warrior's death in the Dominion War. And that war... had so much potential. They squandered it. It could've been developed so much better. The Romulans should have been more back-stabbing, as is their nature. They became more like Vulcans. Dukat was a fascinating character. But yeah... I'm in agreement that his whole cult thing with the Pau-wraiths was ridiculous.
I didn't really care too much for Quark in the beginning, but later on I developed a keen admiration for him. The writers did him justice, IMHO. And I also like how Rom and Nog evolved. O'Brien was a bit wooden for a great many episodes. Colm Meaney has some pretty decent acting ability and I think they could have stretched him a bit further. But overall, I was really glad he migrated from TNG to DS9. His exploits with Bashir were good fun.
The whole religion angle with Bajor was too much. It did become a bit over done. Sisko dying and returning to the prophets was a bit hokey. Seriously, given the associations made, they should have chosen a Bajoran. I would rather have seen Sisko get promoted and given an administrative job back at Starfleet HQ... or given command of a starship. He did a fine run at DS9 and it was time for him to move on.
I find it painful to watch many DS9 episodes. Now that it is being rerun from the beginning on H&I, I'm watching a few, passing on many. But there were some real gems made. It is still a critical part of Star Trek cannon, and is a nice dimension to the whole franchise. But I still prefer TNG and VOY over DS9, when considering the entire sets of episodes.
Well said. That sums up a lot of my problems with DS9. There were a lot of good things about DS9 and it was unique, so the missteps frustrated the show's great potential.
I guess the Prophets rewired more brains than Zek's.
Watching Dogs of War last night, I was actually reminded of that episode where the Prophets rewired Zek's mind to be a more peaceful and progressive ferengi. It seemed like over time, that's exactly what happened. It does seem impluasible that the entire Ferengi alliance would be on board with these social changes and that it would take at least a decade, if not longer, for this entire culture to change.
That leads to another point from me, the implications of a group of beings utterly unscrupled enough to rewrite brains and behaviors like twisting a twig is downright frightening. I mean the prophets can change people's personalities at will, I don't think DS9's writers really thought about the implications of that.
I've seen this brought up occasionally over the years but, to my mind, the answer is clearly: no.
Back in the season 6 occupation arc, when Odo and the female changeling last met, Odo was still trapped between his desire to return to the link and his desire to experience romance with Kira.
All along, the female changeling's argument has been that a "solid" could never fully accept and love a changeling.
Odo experiences the opposite in season 7's Chimera and after that in the show's final arc. So, in What You Leave Behind, he is able to pass along those experiences to the female changeling by linking with her, at which point she has no choice but to admit her mistake and stand down. The writers could have emphasized that with some dialogue, but ultimately I prefer that this moment is somewhat understated.
Regarding the thread topic, I would have to agree with the idea that the Ferengi-focused material is probably the show's biggest misstep or most obvious weakness, when you look at the 7 seasons as a whole.
I love Quark, but he was better off working with--and playing off--the rest of the main cast than he was struggling to make the slapstick comedy and heavy-handed capitalism satire work in the Ferengi episodes. And for some reason the Ferengi are misogynists also? I never really understood that. I don't think there is any intrinsic link between out-of-control or ruthless capitalism and misogyny.
Once in a while there was a solid Ferengi episode, but there are a ton of cringe-inducing moments in those episodes also.
Depictions of Ferengi society just went way too far down the road of sitcom. They got far too carried away. And Rom getting the Nagus gig was a clumsy plot twist to end it all. With Zek going soft, that character just lost alot of his potential. Quark is cool though.
I did think the Dominion got off lightly. Billions dead and only the Queen bee goes to jail - meanwhile the other founders get hand held by Odo presumably with their Delta Quadrant empire intact. I wouldn't be too pleased if I was one of the relatives of the billions who died at this easy going post-war situation.
I did think the Dominion got off lightly. Billions dead and only the Queen bee goes to jail - meanwhile the other founders get hand held by Odo presumably with their Delta Quadrant empire intact. I wouldn't be too pleased if I was one of the relatives of the billions who died at this easy going post-war situation.
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He tried. It backfired. She neutralized him, splitting him apart from the Resistance and kept him distracted.
It's not as though Odo could control her due to the linking. That's not how it works. She surrendered because Odo promised to come home and cure the Founders.
