Let's celebrate Neelix!
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Oh, but I think Tuvok wanted to kill Neelix when he and the Klingon woman trashed his quarters when they were, well, you know...in Prophecy.That "Mr. Vulcan" could easily be very annoying but the way Neelix said it made it be a friendly nickname instead (even if Tuvok didn't exactly always agree)
The "mr vulcan" was not cute, he continued to do it even though very aware that the man he was addressing didn't like it. He did it as a way of highlighting Tuvok's perceived stiffness. It was ribbing that Neelix was convinced was based in a truth he felt Tuvok needed to "get", that he was uptight blah de blah more Vulcan racist crap. No one's ever "let's accept Vulcans, this is the way they are" it's always let's gently (IN HUMOR SO OK) mock them or lets chip away at this Vulcan until we see a wee crack of their soft, warm interior. Then we can gleefully pat ourselves on the back for getting some humanity out of the Vulcan.
It's gross and it played out in all the series in a way that was quite offensive.
It's gross and it played out in all the series in a way that was quite offensive.
Well, Neelix is the cook. The role of the cook often is somewhat parental. Moreover, this puts him in a position to be acquainted with and talk to almost everyone, like Guinan in TNG. As for his character, yes, I think Neelix is notably softer than the starfleet personnel, who are hardened by their sense of duty, their protocols and the chain of command, and softer than the Maquis, who are hardened by their revolutionary lives as resistance fighters - he laughs, he worries, he just expresses his feelings more frequently and freely than the others. Taking into account her mental powers, maybe he's even softer than his beloved Kes. I really pitied poor Neelix when she left Voyager at the beginning of season four, but at the end, with the help of his friends, he found the strength to cope with her leaving him and continue his life as an important part of Voyager's crew without her.
I haven't seen that episode yet, but I can easily imagine Tuvok react that way. Pretty sure I'd feel the same, lol.
Neelix didn't do it to offend Tuvok though. He used it as a nickname. Sometimes he called him "Mr Tuvok": and others "Mr Vulcan". Did Neelix ever call Vorik (I think that's how the other Vulcan we see a lot was called) Mr Vulcan? If he meant it in a offensive way, I think he'd call all the Vulcans on the ship that. For that matter did Tuvok ever flat out ask him to stop it?
That said, I do agree it was a way to make the Vulcan of the group seem more humane. Personally I didn't find it offensive mainly because it started as a misconception of Tuvok's name (Tuvok said "I'm Vulcan" to which Neelix replied with his own name) and because I haven't seen Tuvok so far ask him to stop (I'm halfway in season 3 at the moment).
Aboslutely, let's celebrate our beloved Neelix and what better than an attractive family portrait like that one. Awesome, isn't it?! 
(hey, look at Janeway & Chakotay, who never saw, in 7 years, the Voyager's cook wearing such festive clothes!) ...
(hey, look at Janeway & Chakotay, who never saw, in 7 years, the Voyager's cook wearing such festive clothes!) ...
Aboslutely, let's celebrate our beloved Neelix and what better than an attractive family portrait like that one. Awesome, isn't it?!
(hey, look at Janeway & Chakotay, who never saw, in 7 years, the Voyager's cook wearing such festive clothes!) ...
Oh that's amazing, did you make it? Love the expressions on Janeway and Chakotay, so appropriate
Oh that's amazing, did you make it? Love the expressions on Janeway and Chakotay, so appropriate
Nah. I found the picture on the www but right I saw it, I almost fell of my seat (I guess that is Voyager's new version of "White snow and 7 dwarfs", right?!
Amazing!Aboslutely, let's celebrate our beloved Neelix and what better than an attractive family portrait like that one. Awesome, isn't it?!
(hey, look at Janeway & Chakotay, who never saw, in 7 years, the Voyager's cook wearing such festive clothes!) ...
Yes indeed, I'd like to celebrate Neelix too, though I'm a little bit early or late depending on how you look at it.
He was kind and warm. And as Sophie pointed out, well played by Ethan Phillips. I'm sorry that he didn't have a larger role.
He was kind and warm. And as Sophie pointed out, well played by Ethan Phillips. I'm sorry that he didn't have a larger role.
I reckon he had an understated part to play at times. I mean he's often seen as being flamboyant and comical etc. but in those early years he was called to the bridge on a regular basis because he had knowledge of the local landscape. Could call a foe's bluff. In fact he looked quite at ease.
