First look at Klingons in 'Star Trek: Discovery'?

[Kemaiku]

I haven't seen any of the current remastered versions of TOS yet. I bought virtually all of the originals on VHS and then bought the first DVDs when they were over a hundred dollars a set. That probably adds up to a thousand dollars. Anyone wants to give me remastered blu-rays, though, I wouldn't say no out of any purist impulse.

The entire TOS bluray set, basic, goes for very little these days. I got myself the 50th Anniversary set last year with TOS-R, TAS and the movies for £120, which is about $200?

 

[Ensign]

I think they looks really cool! I like the DS9 Klingons too but it is exciting to see a new style of Klingon for a new series

 

[DigificWriter]

We don't know what Discovery should be like.

When it comes to the actual design of specific alien races like the Klingons, we actually do know what things should look like. Changing those things just for the sake of doing it is exactly in line with the example I used, because both are instances in which something that we already have a defined and well-established look for is being changed for no real discernable reason.

 

[Nerys Myk]

When it comes to the actual design of specific alien races like the Klingons, we actually do know what things should look like. Changing those things just for the sake of doing it is exactly in line with the example I used, because both are instances in which something that we already have a defined and well-established look for is being changed for no real discernable reason.

There was no real discernible reason to change the Klingons in TMP. Or to change them again in TSFS or again in TNG. There was no real discernible reason to change the Trill in DS9. There was no real discernible reason to change the Romulans in TNG.

 

[Mudd]

Certainly changes in the way something looks have no necessary bearing on the narrative.

 

[DigificWriter]

There was no real discernible reason to change the Klingons in TMP. Or to change them again in TSFS or again in TNG. There was no real discernible reason to change the Trill in DS9. There was no real discernible reason to change the Romulans in TNG.

None of the examples you cite are even remotely close to what Discovery is apparently doing with regards to the Klingons, which is to actively manufacture inconsistencies by not even attempting to create consistency with what's been previously established.

The only thing that comes close to this in your list of examples is the Trill, but they were a secondary one-off species, which the Klingons decidedly aren't.

 

[Nerys Myk]

None of the examples you cite are even remotely close to what Discovery is apparently doing with regards to the Klingons, which is to actively manufacture inconsistencies by not even attempting to create consistency with what's been previously established.

The only thing that comes close to this in your list of examples is the Trill, but they were a secondary one-off species, which the Klingons decidedly aren't.

They've just upped the "alienness", just like they did in TMP. Were was the consistency with TOS there? Same with the Romulans. Suddenly in TNG, all Romulans had beetle brows with ridges.

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

There was no real discernible reason to change the Klingons in TMP. Or to change them again in TSFS or again in TNG. There was no real discernible reason to change the Trill in DS9. There was no real discernible reason to change the Romulans in TNG.

To make the prostheses easier to apply?
To make differentiation between aliens easier for an audience?


Why does Batman's suit keep changing?
Why does Batman's car keep changing?

Old is good/new is better..?

 

[Nerys Myk]

To make the prostheses easier to apply?
To make differentiation between aliens easier for an audience?


Why does Batman's suit keep changing?
Why does Batman's car keep changing?

Old is good/new is better..?

Probably all of the above.

 

[Dukhat]

When it comes to the actual design of specific alien races like the Klingons, we actually do know what things should look like. Changing those things just for the sake of doing it is exactly in line with the example I used, because both are instances in which something that we already have a defined and well-established look for is being changed for no real discernable reason.

But that's only if the show is really supposed to take place in the prime universe ten years before TOS. The more they "reimagine" things, the less chance that seems likely. Which, again, was why I said that Fuller making that comment in the first place was really dumb. We wouldn't even be having this conversation if they'd just said, "it's a reboot."

There was no real discernible reason to change the Klingons in TMP. Or to change them again in TSFS or again in TNG. There was no real discernible reason to change the Trill in DS9. There was no real discernible reason to change the Romulans in TNG.

There was, actually, for the Trill. They were originally going to use the forehead prosthesis seen in the TNG Trill episode, but they couldn't make it look right on Terry Farrell. So they went with the spots instead.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But that's only if the show is really supposed to take place in the prime universe ten years before TOS. The more they "reimagine" things, the less chance that seems likely. Which, again, was why I said that Fuller making that comment in the first place was really dumb.



There was, actually, for the Trill. They were originally going to use the forehead prosthesis seen in the TNG Trill episode, but they couldn't make it look right on Terry Farrell. So they went with the spots instead.

Not really a discernible reason in my book. Not saying its a bad thing though. Just an example of the creative process that goes into making these shows. It is fiction after all and many parts are mutable.

 

[Philip Guyott]

Perhaps these Klingon's are from the dark side of a moon in orbit of Qo'noS

 

[Longinus]

Oh come on people! You really cannot be OK with them being hairless? It just completely changes how they feel. It is not logical consitensy thing, it is stylistic consistency thing. Even the flat-headed TOS Klingons sported beards, strange moustaches and bushy eyebrows. That's like the one thing that has been consistent. If you change that they just don't feel like Klingons anymore.

 

[Dukhat]

Not really a discernible reason in my book. Not saying its a bad thing though. Just an example of the creative process that goes into making these shows. It is fiction after all and many parts are mutable.

I guess that would depend on your definition of "discernable." If the original prosthesis wouldn't fit, I'd think it'd be more logical to come up with a similar prosthesis instead of using a spot pattern that was already established as belonging to a completely different alien race (the Kriosians.)

 

[JD]

The entire TOS bluray set, basic, goes for very little these days. I got myself the 50th Anniversary set last year with TOS-R, TAS and the movies for £120, which is about $200?

Up until this last week or so the Wal-Mart where I work had a complete TOS Blu-Ray set for only about $50. Amazon has two different sets, one dated last year for $54 and one from 2009 for $74. All three remastered seasons are also available on Netflix and Amazon Prime's streaming services. They should also be available for paid download on the video services, but I'm not sure how much they are there.

When it comes to the actual design of specific alien races like the Klingons, we actually do know what things should look like. Changing those things just for the sake of doing it is exactly in line with the example I used, because both are instances in which something that we already have a defined and well-established look for is being changed for no real discernable reason.

But we don't know enough yet to say that it is for no discernible reason. There could very well be a specific story reason for why this group of Klingons look this way.

 

[sojourner]

I've never felt a klingon.

 

[Longinus]

Perhaps these Klingon's are from the dark side of a moon in orbit of Qo'noS

Yeah, that's what they instantly reminded me of. They similarly try to too hard to look edgy and cool.

 

[Philip Guyott]

Also, I did not know that blood wine comes in plastic bottles!

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

Which is non-sense. They shouldn't hire good actors because the story calls for a character to use makeup?



I dearly love TOS. But just from a straight make-up and design perspective, the original Klingons are the worst. I'd still love to see them again, but I'd just be lying to myself about them being anything but the bottom of the pile.

A studio will hire who they wish. Many fine actors have complained about the roles they were required to play.
Often loudly, and all the way to the bank.

 

[Kelthaz]

I think it's just the lack of hair that bothers me. The lack of hair removes their individuality and makes them look less human. They look like nameless thugs played by extras that are killed in the mandatory action scene.