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Babylon 5

I've heard talk that there are fan made designs for Babylons 1, 2 and 3 floating around the net somewhere. Unfortunately (even with some google fu) I've been unable to locate them. Can anyone give me a push in the right direction?
 
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From http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Babylon_Project
  • Though only Babylons 1, 4 and 5 were ever seen, it appears as though all five stations were colour coded in spectrum order — red, green and blue for stations 1, 4 and 5 respectively — which would make the unseen Babylon 2 orange and Babylon 3 yellow.
  • JMS has stated that the intended design of the first three Babylon stations was the same as that of B4, though none of them got anywhere near completion. However, what little was seen of the (incomplete) Babylon Station in "In the Beginning" shows that it was a somewhat different design than either Babylons 4 or 5, but with a forward section closer in design to that of the latter.

Some fan art:

http://orig06.deviantart.net/7707/f/2013/288/6/9/babylon_stations_drawn_by_vulpes_sapien-d6qm7gm.jpg

http://kavinveldar.deviantart.com/art/Our-Last-Best-hope-for-Victory-350164979

http://kavinveldar.deviantart.com/art/A-Dream-Given-Form-349883953
 
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I guess B5 was the one last try, using whatever funds and materials they had left.

Yeah, the artist's (Vulpes-Sapien) comments make that very point. I'm surprised they had five goes. Of course, nothing was left over from B4 -- it just vanished. B4 had large enough engines that it could move around significantly rather than just keep station but I don't know if that was also the case for B1-3.

http://vulpes-sapien.deviantart.com/art/Babylon-Stations-drawn-407503174

Someone's even designed a B6.

http://pre10.deviantart.net/f27e/th/pre/f/2011/023/1/4/babylon_6_by_kavinveldar-d37wpj8.png
http://orig12.deviantart.net/0d0a/f/2014/267/c/b/babylon_6_by_vulpes_sapien-d80es5r.png

Kind of unlikely it got built, given that they blew up B5 at the end of its life, which would likely create an enormous debris field in front of the jump gate.
 
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they blew up B5 at the end of its life, which would likely create an enormous debris field in front of the jump gate.

Good point...

I wonder why they didn't just send it spiraling down to burn up in the atmosphere of the nearby planet. I mean, apart from the Great Machine (and Draal), that planet had no indigenous life, did it?

Although perhaps that's what happened to the debris anyway. If it was close enough to the planet, the debris could have fallen into the gravity well and burned up.
 
I think very substantial chunks would make it to the surface -- it was five miles long and massed 2.5 million tons, after all. It would have significant value even as scrap. Why not just let someone break it up or tow it away?
 
Couldn't they just turn the gate away from the debris field?
Yeah, or I guess they could tow the gate somewhere else. However, it always seems to me that B5 was blown up merely for dramatic effect on the show and fulfil the prophesy from season 1. If you don't want someone else to seize ownership of such a valuable asset, you'd sell it for reuse or scrap to a trusted party. Countries do that with their old military hardware all the time.
 
They did expand the B5 gate width in one episode, large ships had their own jump gate engines and IPX were carting gates around and installing them in systems without gates so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be movable.
 
If you watch the B5 destruction scene carefully in Sleeping in Light, you can see debris entering the atmosphere and burning up.
 
Jumpgates can't be moved, can they? I always thought they were permanently fixed in position once built.

They did expand the B5 gate width in one episode, large ships had their own jump gate engines and IPX were carting gates around and installing them in systems without gates so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be movable.

Plus, what does "fixed" mean in this sense? If Hyperspace is some sort of preferred reference frame, it can't be fixed with regard to Hyperspace since it's in orbit with B5 around Epsilon III, so it must be circling Epsilon III. And it must also be circling Epsilon, and the galactic core, and etc. etc.

If you mean fixed in its orbit around Epsilon III, though, then what Asbo said applies.
 
Ah, I see, I didn't know gates could be adjusted once they were complete.

But now I wonder, what keeps the four 'endpoints' of a jumpgate in place? How do they keep from floating around?


Isn't Babylon 4 supposed to have two rotating sections, one larger than the other? (IIRC it was built this way so they could rotate in opposite directions and thus keep the station's "net" rotation at zero, so the station can move.)
 
But now I wonder, what keeps the four 'endpoints' of a jumpgate in place? How do they keep from floating around?
I assume they have station-keeping thrusters but I don't really know.
Isn't Babylon 4 supposed to have two rotating sections, one larger than the other? (IIRC it was built this way so they could rotate in opposite directions and thus keep the station's "net" rotation at zero, so the station can move.)
Yeah, the central concentric sections counter rotate as far as I remember from what was shown onscreen.
 
I'd forgotten this but yesterday was the 23rd anniversary of 'Midnight on the Firing Line' airing for the first time. Which means that Feb. 22, 2018 will be the 25th anniversary of 'The Gathering' airing for the first time.

I feel old...
 
Feb. 22, 2018 will be the 25th anniversary of 'The Gathering' airing for the first time.

I feel old...

That's because you are.

A quarter of a century... Babylon 5 might not have the fanatical fervor following of Star Wars or Trek, but the fact it's discussed after all this time points to its quality. It mattered to people. It's dated in look, but it's up there with the best SF TV ever produced.
 
If you watch the B5 destruction scene carefully in Sleeping in Light, you can see debris entering the atmosphere and burning up.
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