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Possibility of a sequel to "The Hungry Earth"/"Cold Blood"?

The Nth Doctor

Wanderer in the Fourth Dimension
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I watched "The Hungry Earth" and "Cold Blood" this evening for the first time since it aired, and in addition to enjoying it a lot more this time around (having moved passed my irritation regarding their eyes), I noticed there's great potential for a sequel to this two-parter.

The story sets up this potential with a combination of factors:
  • The hope for harmony between humans and homo-reptilians.
  • Elliot's promise to The Doctor to spread the word to help humanity prepare for sharing the planet in a millennium.
  • Nasreen and Tony in hibernation with the homo-reptilians, who Eldane already knows and at least has a small working relationship with Nasreen.
On top of all of that, Chris Chibnall was the writer of this story. I certainly hope he'll take the opportunity to explore this story's potential as the next show runner.
 
I enjoyed this two-parter greatly. I agree, lots of room for a follow-up. I'd forgotten that Chibnall wrote it. Fingers crossed! It doesn't have to be a direct sequel but perhaps the events of this story put in motion something that will come into play on a future Earth story. Maybe the "Silurians" can finally come home?
 
We've kind of had tacit suggestions that the peace worked out - Silurians come to assist the Doctor in rescuing Amy and baby Melody, and haven't we seen some in the background on future Earth stories?
 
I thought it was dreadful myself. The Doctor saying 'I love you' to a man who was vivisecting a child only minutes earlier, but haranguing a grieving mother for trying to save that same child. An entire race saying 'oh never mind' and going back to sleep after only having woken up ten minutes earlier. People randomly deciding to hibernate for millennia just 'cause. The redesign of the Silurians certainly made them more viewer-friendly but looked nothing like the original series version (unlike most of the alien redesigns which have been very faithful to the original). And the Crack turning up at the end of the story for absolutely no reason, just because the plot said it was time for this now.

I don't want to have a sequel, thanks, and I will never understand why people like season 5 so much.

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I would not mind seeing the Sea Devils again in the new series! I could see them doing an origins of Lady Vastra before she ended up with her gang in Victorian London. It would certainly explain her insight into knowing the doctor well if she started off with his latest regeneration then had to deal allot with 11 later on.
 
It would certainly explain her insight into knowing the doctor well if she started off with his latest regeneration then had to deal allot with 11 later on.
Except the Eleventh Doctor had memories of the first time he and Vastra met, so from the Doctor's perspective, it was sometime before A Good Man Goes to War.
 
I enjoyed this two-parter greatly. I agree, lots of room for a follow-up. I'd forgotten that Chibnall wrote it. Fingers crossed! It doesn't have to be a direct sequel but perhaps the events of this story put in motion something that will come into play on a future Earth story. Maybe the "Silurians" can finally come home?
True, it doesn't need to be a direct sequel, but it would be nice to see Nasreen, Tony and Eldane again. We already have an established relationship with those three and their trust issues between them can be extended to whether or not they can trust The Twelfth (or Thirteenth) Doctor is the same person as The Eleventh Doctor.

We've kind of had tacit suggestions that the peace worked out - Silurians come to assist the Doctor in rescuing Amy and baby Melody,
Except those homo-reptilians were responding to The Eleventh Doctor's call to arms as a favor to some past deed he did. That doesn't necessarily mean good relations with humans. Hell, we don't even know if they're from the same time period as Demon's Run (52nd century) considering Madame Vastra and Jenny came from 1888 and Strax came from 4037.

...and haven't we seen some in the background on future Earth stories?
Have we? I don't recall that.

I thought it was dreadful myself. The Doctor saying 'I love you' to a man who was vivisecting a child only minutes earlier,
Except Malohkeh didn't. He specifically said to Mo that Elliot wasn't harmed in any way and Malohkeh merely put Elliot stasis where his aging was slowed down considerably so Malohkeh could how humans grew.

That being said, Malohkeh did partially dissect Mo while apparently conscious (we didn't actually see it). Unfortunately, the implications of that situation wasn't addressed and I agree that's an issue.

but haranguing a grieving mother for trying to save that same child.
The Eleventh Doctor harangued her because she committed murder in an act of racial fear which nearly helped ignite war between homo-reptilians and humans. I think he was within his right to express his disgust at her. I was disgusted at her.

An entire race saying 'oh never mind' and going back to sleep after only having woken up ten minutes earlier. People randomly deciding to hibernate for millennia just 'cause.
Except they were doing this under the orders and wisdom of Eldane, their leader. Only Restac's faction went against that and they were summarily dealt with through the actions of The Eleventh Doctor and Eldane.

The redesign of the Silurians certainly made them more viewer-friendly but looked nothing like the original series version (unlike most of the alien redesigns which have been very faithful to the original).
I originally didn't like the redesign either, particularly the masks not being their actual faces. However, over the subsequent appearances by Madame Vastra, I've grown accustomed to the design and generally like it. That being said, their beady ape eyes still bother me although I understand the cosmetic choice: It's easier to emphasize with a character when you can see their real eyes.

It would certainly explain her insight into knowing the doctor well if she started off with his latest regeneration then had to deal allot with 11 later on.
Except the Eleventh Doctor had memories of the first time he and Vastra met, so from the Doctor's perspective, it was sometime before A Good Man Goes to War.
Right and their first encounter was the reason why she was in debt to him and responded to his call to fight at Demon's Run. She mentioned on at least two occasions that they met when humans were building the London Underground and accidentally woke up her tribe. The Eleventh Doctor intervened and helped her see the error of her ways. I don't expect to see this meeting on the show, but I could see it being explored in another medium, particularly Big Finish if Matt Smith decides to start making them some time in the future.
 
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Except the Eleventh Doctor had memories of the first time he and Vastra met, so from the Doctor's perspective, it was sometime before A Good Man Goes to War.

Personally, my theory is that the first Doctor to meet Vastra was Eccleston. I feel like an enraged Vastra could only be talked down by a kindred spirit, such as an immediate post-Time War 9th Doctor.

That being said, their beady ape eyes still bother me although I understand the cosmetic choice: It's easier to emphasize with a character when you can see their real eyes.

Plus, Neve McIntosh has some of the most beautiful eyes on the planet and concealing them would be a crime! :adore:
 
Personally, my theory is that the first Doctor to meet Vastra was Eccleston. I feel like an enraged Vastra could only be talked down by a kindred spirit, such as an immediate post-Time War 9th Doctor.

Weird thing is, in "Deep Breath" Vastra said "Here we go again", implying she had witnessed a regeneration before. But we have now seen every regeneration on screen, and she wasn't present at any of them. I suppose she could just be referring to witnessing the aftermath of a regeneration, in which case the only options are either War Doctor or Nine.

The fact that the War Doctor was apparently such a secret suggests he stayed within the time-locked limits of the Time War for the entire duration, which leaves us with Nine, exactly as you suggest. Perhaps after regenerating upon leaving London in 2013, he immediately crashed back to London again in Victorian times where the first person he met was Vastra. Not sure how that fits in with "Rose"...

None of which is on topic of course, but you started it. :-P

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It's possible she was just told about regeneration, as she knows a bit about time lords and stuff. Captain Jack, in the same way, seems to have some knowledge that the Doctor can regenerate when he meets him again-in fact it's a trigger word for Yana. He even has to remind Rose about it in Stolen Earth-and she actually saw it!
 
The bit with the empty pit in the graveyard feels a bit strange now. If Gladys died in 2014 or earlier then the Silurians didn't steal her, she turned into a Cyberman and flew away.

I suppose the other graves should be empty too.
 
Perhaps after regenerating upon leaving London in 2013, he immediately crashed back to London again in Victorian times where the first person he met was Vastra. Not sure how that fits in with "Rose"...
Fits fine. RTD has said he never intended Rose to be the Ninth Doctor's post-regeneration story, and that he'd had other adventure prior to Rose.

Moffat has stated he does consider Rose to be the Ninth Doctor's post-regeneration story, but IMO this should be ignored and RTD's wishes adhered to.
 
Fits fine. RTD has said he never intended Rose to be the Ninth Doctor's post-regeneration story, and that he'd had other adventure prior to Rose.

Moffat has stated he does consider Rose to be the Ninth Doctor's post-regeneration story, but IMO this should be ignored and RTD's wishes adhered to.
I know RTD stated that, but for me it just doesn't fit with what we see on the screen in Rose. So, I prefer Moffat's take. Obviously just a matter of personal preference which take one prefers though.

Mr Awe
 
It was a little while before Capaldi saw himself in a mirror, since he was busy dodging a dinosaur and being insane.

I don't think it's a stretch that Eccleston might have gone a while before doing the same.

Hell, even Tom Baker went a while before seeing himself in Robot.
 
I know RTD stated that, but for me it just doesn't fit with what we see on the screen in Rose.
There isn't really anything in Rose that says it has to be the Ninth Doctor's first adventure, or that he can't have had others prior. The only thing that comes close is the mirror scene, which RTD said isn't supposed to mean its his first time see what he looks like.
 
There isn't really anything in Rose that says it has to be the Ninth Doctor's first adventure, or that he can't have had others prior. The only thing that comes close is the mirror scene, which RTD said isn't supposed to mean its his first time see what he looks like.
You're correct, there's nothing that explicitly says that. But, in Who, there's a tradition that post-regeneration the Doctor comments on his new appearance, which is what he's doing in Rose. Typically, the Doctor doesn't do that long after he's regenerated. So, no, nothing says it's immediately post regeneration but it sure seems that way given Who tradition.

Mr Awe
 
Again, #4 could have been in the infirmary...er...sick bay a day or a week before we saw him look in that mirror and comment on his nose and ears.
 
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There isn't really anything in Rose that says it has to be the Ninth Doctor's first adventure, or that he can't have had others prior. The only thing that comes close is the mirror scene, which RTD said isn't supposed to mean its his first time see what he looks like.
Wasn't there an episode where someone had been tracking the Doctor through parts of history and spotted Eccleston in some old renderings/photos? These were from events not depicted in episodes we have watched. I know it happened in 'Love and Monsters' also but I am thinking of an earlier episode...
 
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