Spoilers Sleepy Hollow Season 4
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I was just happy to see Jenny in the opening credits. "I prefer Miss Badass!
I'm intrigued by the agent's daughter.
I found the show half way through last night so didn't keep watching it. Luckily tonight I found it on a repeat at the start of the show. My problem is why did they say he was kidnapped? Didn't he leave with them voluntarily at the end of last season?
I'm intrigued by the agent's daughter.
I found the show half way through last night so didn't keep watching it. Luckily tonight I found it on a repeat at the start of the show. My problem is why did they say he was kidnapped? Didn't he leave with them voluntarily at the end of last season?
B+ casting replacement to be generous, although I'm intrigued by the daughter too. Emoted just enough without saying anything to showcase potential talent. Just hate resets is all. The other actress was a lot more charismatic and played better off the lead actor. Chemistry is the word.
So, I tuned in to see what the revamp was like.
Library of arcane knowledge = check
secret tunnels = check
partner working with him without her organization's knowledge = check
2 scooby doo gang members to helpout = check
So, tell me again when the revamp starts? Because all I saw was a change in location.
Library of arcane knowledge = check
secret tunnels = check
partner working with him without her organization's knowledge = check
2 scooby doo gang members to helpout = check
So, tell me again when the revamp starts? Because all I saw was a change in location.
"Your shoes are untied." 
Well, this was surprisingly good, much to my relief-- although it didn't seem to match up with the ending of last season. Weren't those guys who picked him up supposed to be representatives of Washington's secret agency? Now the agency has devolved to just a couple of clerks and those goons were from some unknown organization? That was a nice fakeout, though, when they came upon the little office, but then were introduced to the real repository. That looks like it will be a nice replacement for the Archives in Sleepy Hollow. "This is the real secret history of America." Although I still worry about what will become of the Archives back in the Hollow.
The whole thing with Lincoln's head was totally off the wall, and the secret crypt holding the Demon Boothe was classic Sleepy Hollow weirdness. I would have preferred that the premiere involve something to do with the Revolution, but I'm glad they' haven't abandoned using relevant events from American history. And they even included an educational moment when Ichabod explained the meaning of "Columbia" to Jenny, which is a fairly arcane bit of knowledge these days.
I do like Janina Gavankar's character ("No good music has been written since 1984") and the two clerks show potential. I do wonder if Agent Thomas's daughter is really the new Witness, or if that's a red herring. Jenny's timely reappearance and reunion with Crane was well done and touching. Her comments to him that everything he sees around him is there because of him reflects back on George Washington's comment that he considers Crane one of the Founding Fathers. Good use was made of Washingtonian locations, so it seems the change of venue was not arbitrary on the producers' part. Iconic Americana is still going to be a fundamental part of the series.
All in all, the premiere was very nice, and while I'm still going to miss Abbie-- more specially, I'm going to miss the Abbie and Ichabod relationship-- Crane is still Crane (I loved the "Kryptonite" moment) and the new characters are good. I'm looking forward to the next episode.
Well, this was surprisingly good, much to my relief-- although it didn't seem to match up with the ending of last season. Weren't those guys who picked him up supposed to be representatives of Washington's secret agency? Now the agency has devolved to just a couple of clerks and those goons were from some unknown organization? That was a nice fakeout, though, when they came upon the little office, but then were introduced to the real repository. That looks like it will be a nice replacement for the Archives in Sleepy Hollow. "This is the real secret history of America." Although I still worry about what will become of the Archives back in the Hollow.
The whole thing with Lincoln's head was totally off the wall, and the secret crypt holding the Demon Boothe was classic Sleepy Hollow weirdness. I would have preferred that the premiere involve something to do with the Revolution, but I'm glad they' haven't abandoned using relevant events from American history. And they even included an educational moment when Ichabod explained the meaning of "Columbia" to Jenny, which is a fairly arcane bit of knowledge these days.
I do like Janina Gavankar's character ("No good music has been written since 1984") and the two clerks show potential. I do wonder if Agent Thomas's daughter is really the new Witness, or if that's a red herring. Jenny's timely reappearance and reunion with Crane was well done and touching. Her comments to him that everything he sees around him is there because of him reflects back on George Washington's comment that he considers Crane one of the Founding Fathers. Good use was made of Washingtonian locations, so it seems the change of venue was not arbitrary on the producers' part. Iconic Americana is still going to be a fundamental part of the series.
All in all, the premiere was very nice, and while I'm still going to miss Abbie-- more specially, I'm going to miss the Abbie and Ichabod relationship-- Crane is still Crane (I loved the "Kryptonite" moment) and the new characters are good. I'm looking forward to the next episode.
Like most people, I was a little hesitant about the new season, but after the premiere I'm happy. It was actually really good.
I've been a fan of Janina Gavankar since she was on True Blood. I'll admit her character and Crane didn't have quite the same kind of instant chemistry we got with him and Abbie, but I'm willing the give the relationship time to develop.
The Agency 355 nerds were really fun characters, and I look forward to seeing them again.
Jeremy Davies seems like he should be a pretty fun villain, and is a nice change from the ancient evils we got before.
The demon/John Wilkes Booth storyline was pretty fun, and really felt like the perfect Sleepy Hollow kind of story. I can't help but wonder how Seeley Booth would feel if he knew that his ancestor was an ocultist who got turned into a demon, and was still alive until the end of the episode.
I've been a fan of Janina Gavankar since she was on True Blood. I'll admit her character and Crane didn't have quite the same kind of instant chemistry we got with him and Abbie, but I'm willing the give the relationship time to develop.
The Agency 355 nerds were really fun characters, and I look forward to seeing them again.
Jeremy Davies seems like he should be a pretty fun villain, and is a nice change from the ancient evils we got before.
The demon/John Wilkes Booth storyline was pretty fun, and really felt like the perfect Sleepy Hollow kind of story. I can't help but wonder how Seeley Booth would feel if he knew that his ancestor was an ocultist who got turned into a demon, and was still alive until the end of the episode.
That bugged me too.
I especially found this interesting since Agent Booth (from Bones and both shows are in the same universe obviously) is a descendant of John Wilkes Booth and him having to deal with that stigma has followed him around his entire career. If only he knew he gave himself over to a demon.
Finally gave in and watched this. I have to admit, it's promising. The new cast is pretty likeable; I particularly like Alex, who's got just a touch of Jillian Holtzmann in her, or at least Adam Savage. It is weird that there's a discontinuity with last season's finale, but I don't mind too much, since the last couple of seasons have been a mess and I'm content with the show making a clean break.
I wonder how long it'll be before Crane confides in his new partners about his true age and origin.
It's weird that this is the second time in the past 3 months that a genre TV series has re-enacted Lincoln's assassination with a fantasy twist, the previous instance being Timeless. And in between the two, MeTV showed a rerun of a Time Tunnel episode that included another re-enactment of that event, so that's three times I've seen it in the past quarter-year.
I doubt the show's writers are bothering to keep that supposed universe-sharing in mind. I mean, this episode gave the impression that Crane had never been in DC before, but isn't that where Bones is set?
I wonder how long it'll be before Crane confides in his new partners about his true age and origin.
It's weird that this is the second time in the past 3 months that a genre TV series has re-enacted Lincoln's assassination with a fantasy twist, the previous instance being Timeless. And in between the two, MeTV showed a rerun of a Time Tunnel episode that included another re-enactment of that event, so that's three times I've seen it in the past quarter-year.
I doubt the show's writers are bothering to keep that supposed universe-sharing in mind. I mean, this episode gave the impression that Crane had never been in DC before, but isn't that where Bones is set?
Yes and I doubt they are either I just found it funny with this revelation in the same universe.
I thought Legends and Timeless were the only shows playing tag with history.
I forgot about that Bones crossover. It would be funny if the Jeffersonian turned out to be sitting over another ancient crypt of evil or something. Or maybe there's another EJH under there.
^ 
You know, I always thought that season 1's Jeffersonian director, Dr Goodman, had an otherworldly quality to him. There was just something about him that was.. strange. And he disappears and is never mentioned again. Perhaps he's been in hiding...In a secret crypt, and Crane will stumble upon him. 
You know, I always thought that season 1's Jeffersonian director, Dr Goodman, had an otherworldly quality to him. There was just something about him that was.. strange. And he disappears and is never mentioned again. Perhaps he's been in hiding...In a secret crypt, and Crane will stumble upon him. 
Personally I wish they would have just teamed him up with Jenny Mills (Lyndie Greenwood)
I'm afraid the only portion of this show I look forward to is the intro anymore.
Glad to hear so many positive remarks about the start of Season 4! I'll let it build in the DVR and binge it like always. At least though I know there is the positivity about the first episode when I circle back to it.
That would be a cool idea for a plot. Or at least a nice bit of stealth casting for a cameo.^
^^ The witches were definitely the weakest link in this episode.
The episode definitely wasn't quite as strong as last week and the biggest problem was the witches were not very good actresses. I did like their spooky, run-down house, cloaked from view on perpetually ceded land. You have to wonder if anyone in the government has ever looked at that over the years. "Why are we not doing anything with this tract of land, Senator? It would make a great place for an office building." "Hey, President Washington said nobody touches that, so don't even think about it." Maybe the witches have a spell that cloaks their budget line item as well as their house.
The meeting of Ichabod and the girl was handled a bit awkwardly, too. Agent Thomas didn't think it odd that she started speaking again when she saw Ichabod? And the girl, despite saying hello to him, has decided not to mention that she recognizes him and has been sketching pictures of him? That whole thing did not really flow well.
I do like the two Archive nerds, though, and how they are slowly figuring out that something is up with Crane. I like how the woman snarkily shot down his time travel theory, but he failed to come up with the obvious answer-- he's not from the past, he's visiting the past from the future. I can imagine what the guy will think when he finds out Crane spent 200-plus years in a grave. Zombie!
The episode definitely wasn't quite as strong as last week and the biggest problem was the witches were not very good actresses. I did like their spooky, run-down house, cloaked from view on perpetually ceded land. You have to wonder if anyone in the government has ever looked at that over the years. "Why are we not doing anything with this tract of land, Senator? It would make a great place for an office building." "Hey, President Washington said nobody touches that, so don't even think about it." Maybe the witches have a spell that cloaks their budget line item as well as their house.
The meeting of Ichabod and the girl was handled a bit awkwardly, too. Agent Thomas didn't think it odd that she started speaking again when she saw Ichabod? And the girl, despite saying hello to him, has decided not to mention that she recognizes him and has been sketching pictures of him? That whole thing did not really flow well.
I do like the two Archive nerds, though, and how they are slowly figuring out that something is up with Crane. I like how the woman snarkily shot down his time travel theory, but he failed to come up with the obvious answer-- he's not from the past, he's visiting the past from the future. I can imagine what the guy will think when he finds out Crane spent 200-plus years in a grave. Zombie!
You know, as much as I hate how they dropped Abby, and as weird as the wholesale reboot has been, the show actually feels like it's found itself again. The new characters and situation are working out well, despite the contrivances. I like it that Jake and Alex deduced Crane's origins for themselves.
And it's good to see that losing Abby doesn't mean the show has abandoned its attention to the African-American perspective on the nation's history. Although, as always, they've taken things to a fanciful extreme. While they were right in portraying Benjamin Banneker as an abolitionist and a scholar, the idea that he thought up the design of Washington, DC is going even beyond the existing legends that have grown up around him over the centuries. Confirmed history says he was part of a team that surveyed the boundaries of the planned federal district; legend says he assisted L'Enfant in designing the city or even finished the plans after L'Enfant's death (though L'Enfant lived well past the completion of the plans).
I can see the value of bringing back Headless as a recurring element; with all the changes, I can see them wanting to preserve what they can of the core mythos, and Ichabod Crane vs. the Headless Horseman is the very core of it. Plus it gave them a chance to reiterate the show's foundations and bring the new characters, and any new viewers, up to speed. Still, the way it was done seems a bit arbitrary. Since when did Headless have a fetish for collecting the, err, heads of heads of state? It would've made more sense if Dreyfuss and his evil pal had summoned HH for their own purposes, rather than recruiting him after he arrived on his own mission.
So now we know that this show is one of at least two current fantasy TV universes to have a black female president, the other being Earth-1/the Arrowverse. (Other recent but non-current ones include Alfre Woodard in State of Affairs and President Amanda Waller in Justice League: Gods and Monsters.)
And it's good to see that losing Abby doesn't mean the show has abandoned its attention to the African-American perspective on the nation's history. Although, as always, they've taken things to a fanciful extreme. While they were right in portraying Benjamin Banneker as an abolitionist and a scholar, the idea that he thought up the design of Washington, DC is going even beyond the existing legends that have grown up around him over the centuries. Confirmed history says he was part of a team that surveyed the boundaries of the planned federal district; legend says he assisted L'Enfant in designing the city or even finished the plans after L'Enfant's death (though L'Enfant lived well past the completion of the plans).
I can see the value of bringing back Headless as a recurring element; with all the changes, I can see them wanting to preserve what they can of the core mythos, and Ichabod Crane vs. the Headless Horseman is the very core of it. Plus it gave them a chance to reiterate the show's foundations and bring the new characters, and any new viewers, up to speed. Still, the way it was done seems a bit arbitrary. Since when did Headless have a fetish for collecting the, err, heads of heads of state? It would've made more sense if Dreyfuss and his evil pal had summoned HH for their own purposes, rather than recruiting him after he arrived on his own mission.
So now we know that this show is one of at least two current fantasy TV universes to have a black female president, the other being Earth-1/the Arrowverse. (Other recent but non-current ones include Alfre Woodard in State of Affairs and President Amanda Waller in Justice League: Gods and Monsters.)
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