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Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

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Yeah, as much as I would like to see Jyn and Cassian make it off Scarif, I can't really see them doing that. I honestly didn't even notice that we didn't see what happened to the Ghost, but it does make sense that they would leave what exactly happened to them up to the show to determine.
As for the two and a half seasons, they could always do a time jump somewhere to bring them up to Rogue One. I really hope we do eventually get to see the Battle of Scarif and the time around it from the Ghost crew's perspective eventually.
 
I don't think they would pull that one to get Jyn and Cassian out, but as I said, that is the only possibly out left.
Well, not the *only* possibility. Jyn still had the necklace so I'm sure an (un?)imaginative writer could pull some deus ex force kyber hocus-pocus out of their arse. It'd still be a bad idea, but vaguely within the realms of the possible.

The Ghost likely went back to the fleet, while the fighters rushed to Yavin 4. The comics have Akbar arrive with the fleet after the Battle of Yavin to help evacuate the base. It might also be that the pounding the Ghost took in the fight was enough to keep her grounded for the next week or so.

I don't necessarily disagree, but you have to wonder if it took the fleet so long to get back, how did the surviving fighters all seem to get there first?

As for the two and a half seasons, they could always do a time jump somewhere to bring them up to Rogue One. I really hope we do eventually get to see the Battle of Scarif and the time around it from the Ghost crew's perspective eventually.

I'm kind of hoping they do several more time jumps in the coming season as I'm much prefer the finale of the show take place around the battle of Jakku rather than leave it off at Scarif or Yavin, right when the rebellion really starts to get going.
I mean after all, the main saga movies don't really give us much of an idea what's going on with the Alliance in Empire & Jedi. Just that they're getting chased around the galaxy after Yavin. The narrative is pretty squarely focused on Luke Han & Leia.

Keep in mind that from Yavin to Jakku is only 5 years, which admittedly is 10 years on from when Rebels started, but what a way to end it and actually see the effect of that passage of time?
 
Yeah, as much as I would like to see Jyn and Cassian make it off Scarif, I can't really see them doing that. I honestly didn't even notice that we didn't see what happened to the Ghost, but it does make sense that they would leave what exactly happened to them up to the show to determine.
As for the two and a half seasons, they could always do a time jump somewhere to bring them up to Rogue One. I really hope we do eventually get to see the Battle of Scarif and the time around it from the Ghost crew's perspective eventually.

Isn't at least one of them a Jedi or a trainee Jedi? needs a headshot to match up with Star Wars.
 
I don't think the fleet headed back to Yavin, but to wherever they normally hide from the Empire (the Rebellion usually does not keep their main base and the fleet together, as they can afford to lose one, not both). The fighters headed back there because that was their base, and/or they were called in once the weakness was discovered. The Fleet would be more or less useless against the Death Star. I think the plan for the attack on the Death Star II was that the Fleet would create a Perimeter in an effort to make sure that Palpatine does now escape while the fighter blew up the station. The Rebellion was willing to risk everything to take out the Emperor.

And yes the Ghost presently has two Jedi with then in Rebels. Well more like a Jedi Padawan and his student. But we don't know if they will survive until Scarrif, and are almost certainly dead by Endor in order for Yoda's word to Luke to be true. "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." And we know Yoda knew of the two Jedi with the Ghost.
 
1.) The only people who seem to get offended any more are sad, pathetic white guys.
2.) Why should anyone care if you're offended by something that has zero effect on you or anything even remotely related to you.
3.) Even if it did have something to do with you, so what? You have no right to not be offended. There was a word for people who got offended by everything like that 'back in the day.' "Pussies." Offended by that? Pussy. (And no, that's not just a random insult.)


Yeah, that's total bullshit. Though I'm sure when people like you troll on forums, it makes you feel better if you do it indirectly rather than directly. Me? I'm not the indirect sort just to avoid a warning. So fuck you for calling me a racist just because I said his accent was one of the many, many reasons I didn't like the Cassian character.


It's been addressed three times already. Feel free to read any of the posts about it. Or just continue to listen to the whiners crying about racism after taking things grossly out of context just so they can pretend to be offended. Your choice, I really don't give a fuck anymore.[/i]

That's a warning for flaming. Comments to PM
 
I don't think the fleet headed back to Yavin, but to wherever they normally hide from the Empire (the Rebellion usually does not keep their main base and the fleet together, as they can afford to lose one, not both). The fighters headed back there because that was their base, and/or they were called in once the weakness was discovered. The Fleet would be more or less useless against the Death Star.

Well most of the fleet were presumably at Yavin, either landed on the deck or in orbit during 'Rogue One', so it seems at least some of the them were on station. Yet when the Falcon shows up in ANH the place seems relatively deserted compared to what was there just a few days prior. So either *everything* launched and only those two squadrons made it back in time, or the bulk of the fleets surviving corvettes and frigates were ordered to regroup elsewhere?

I suppose all/most of that stuff was still there, just parked on the opposite side of the ziggurat, but that still leaves the problem of the ships that physically can't land like the Nebulons and the Ghost was obviously absent.

And yes the Ghost presently has two Jedi with then in Rebels. Well more like a Jedi Padawan and his student. But we don't know if they will survive until Scarrif, and are almost certainly dead by Endor in order for Yoda's word to Luke to be true. "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." And we know Yoda knew of the two Jedi with the Ghost.

For what it's worth Kanan was knighted, a fact Yoda is well aware of since despite appearances, that's really him doing it. So the odds of Kanan at least still being around by RotJ are decidedly slim.
 
I get the feeling everyone was there for the big meeting, not because the Fleet stayed there. The Alliance Fleet wasn't around Hoth years later for the reason that the Alliance can afford to lose either the High Command, or the Fleet, but not both.

They did attack the Death Star with 30 fighters and a YT-1300 freighter. Or is that spoilers for the sequel?
 
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Red group had 11 or 12 fighters at Yavin. Gold had it seemed to be four to six fighters present. So who were the other squadrons? Likelihood it was Green Squadron with some survivors of Blue Squadron that didn't go down to the surface. Through from what we saw, only three fighters survived that battle, with the identity of the Y-wing pilot appears to be one Evaan Verlaine (Gold Three). As far as I can tell we didn't see her in person at Scarif but her fighter was seen attacking with the rest of Gold Group against the Shield Gate and the Star Destroyer.
 
Well, not the *only* possibility. Jyn still had the necklace so I'm sure an (un?)imaginative writer could pull some deus ex force kyber hocus-pocus out of their arse. It'd still be a bad idea, but vaguely within the realms of the possible.



I don't necessarily disagree, but you have to wonder if it took the fleet so long to get back, how did the surviving fighters all seem to get there first?



I'm kind of hoping they do several more time jumps in the coming season as I'm much prefer the finale of the show take place around the battle of Jakku rather than leave it off at Scarif or Yavin, right when the rebellion really starts to get going.
I mean after all, the main saga movies don't really give us much of an idea what's going on with the Alliance in Empire & Jedi. Just that they're getting chased around the galaxy after Yavin. The narrative is pretty squarely focused on Luke Han & Leia.

Keep in mind that from Yavin to Jakku is only 5 years, which admittedly is 10 years on from when Rebels started, but what a way to end it and actually see the effect of that passage of time?
Yeah, I would like to see the Rebels characters' stories continue beyond the events of Rogue One and A New Hope. Even if the show ends before or at one of those movies, then I really hope we get a follow up novel or comic series. I really hope we get to find out what they were up to during the movies and possibly even beyond. I don't know how long Twi'leks or Lasats live, but Sabine would only be in her 40s or 50s by the time of TFA if my math is right, and Chopper could definitely still be around. The biggest question marks would be Kanan and Ezra, with such a big deal being made of Luke being the last Jedi it would be a hard to believe that they're still out there working with the Rebellion. The EU did get a round that quite a few times, but it was starting to get ridiculous how many Clone Wars era Jedi seemed to constantly be popping up. Hell, they had several Jedi from the Clone Wars comics still alive in the Legacy series over 100 years after the Battle of Yavin.
 
Red group had 11 or 12 fighters at Yavin. Gold had it seemed to be four to six fighters present. So who were the other squadrons? Likelihood it was Green Squadron with some survivors of Blue Squadron that didn't go down to the surface. Through from what we saw, only three fighters survived that battle, with the identity of the Y-wing pilot appears to be one Evaan Verlaine (Gold Three). As far as I can tell we didn't see her in person at Scarif but her fighter was seen attacking with the rest of Gold Group against the Shield Gate and the Star Destroyer.
I just saw it, so I'm trying to clarify what you're trying to ask. Gold Group pilots seemed to include Gold Leader and Gold Five (?) from ANH, which means at least those two from the squadron survived. I don't think Blue or Green Group had many survivors, sadly.

I finally saw the film today, and have avoided this thread to avoid spoilers, an experience I didn't have with TFA. I was generally impressed by the overall story and characters were well developed overall, given had the film ended. I didn't really "like" as many as I thought I would, and ended up liking two a whole lot more than I realized.

The film impressed me by not pulling any emotional punches, from the get go. Jyn's separation from her family, to Andor's meeting with an informant, to Bohdi's meeting with Saw all had a very rough and uncomfortable edge to it. It went quite dark a number of times, even before the end, and definitely kept with the war story tone.

There was some great nods, cameos, Easter Eggs, and the like to the rest of the film. Was surprised by Vader's role, but was glad it wasn't huge. Though, his slaughter of the Alderaan troopers was a bit annoying to me. No doubt that will be a minority opinion.

Final star battle was a whole lot bigger than I was expecting. I'm still a bit mixed on it, because I didn't think the Rebellion would have such a large fleet to put against the Empire but it was nice to see it in action.

Overall, I give it a solid A and it gave a much different Star Wars story that was still highly enjoyable.
 
I get the feeling everyone was there for the big meeting, not because the Fleet stayed there. The Alliance Fleet wasn't around Hoth years later for the reason that the Alliance can afford to lose either the High Command, or the Fleet, but not both.

Yeah, according to the novelization it was a big deal (and a security nightmare) having the whole Alliance council in one place. Remember, most of these people are Imperial Senators so ducking the ISB without arousing suspicion *and* getting them all to Yavin without blowing it's location is no small thing.

So that indeed may be the only reason for at least Raddus's ship to be in orbit and presumably the Tantive IV (& III?) were only there because Bail & Leia were there. Plus of course we have no idea if all the

All that said, the novelization also mentions that the Tantive IV had been docked with the 'Profundity' for repairs for some time, which one would think supports the notion that that ship at least is stationed there long-term and where the flagship goes, the fleet usually follows.

Another possible thing to take into account is in the 'Princess Leia' comic, Akbar shows up after the battle and says all the Alliance fleets (plural!) will assist in the evacuation. Just the fact that Akbar was elsewhere for the events at Scarif suggest that the Alliance had other fleets and that what we saw in Rogue One was just the Yavin fleet. The recent SWR trailer just so happens to feature a shot of what's probably 'Home One' with the fleet as early as 2 years prior to RO/ANH, so that seems to track.

They did attack the Death Star with 30 fighters and a YT-1300 freighter. Or is that spoilers for the sequel?

Well technically it was just 30 fighters. The YT-1300 turned up later of it's own accord. ;)

Red group had 11 or 12 fighters at Yavin. Gold had it seemed to be four to six fighters present. So who were the other squadrons? Likelihood it was Green Squadron with some survivors of Blue Squadron that didn't go down to the surface. Through from what we saw, only three fighters survived that battle, with the identity of the Y-wing pilot appears to be one Evaan Verlaine (Gold Three). As far as I can tell we didn't see her in person at Scarif but her fighter was seen attacking with the rest of Gold Group against the Shield Gate and the Star Destroyer.

I've actually counted this before and that panning shot of the fighters passing Yavin does indeed have a total of 30 ships. 22 X-Wings and 8 Y-Wings.
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Now strictly speaking, in real world aviation a fighter squadron can have between 12 and 24 craft, so on that front it's not unreasonable to presume that all 22 X-Wings are red squadron. That said, the highest numbered callsign mentioned is "Red 11" (Red 12 is mentioned in the script IIRC), so it's still possible those other 10 or 11 X-Wings are in a third squadron.
Another possibility is that there wasn't a pilot experienced enough to lead the survivors of Blue Squadron so they were absorbed into Red Squardon, who were also down several pilots (like red 5! ;) )

It's worth keeping in mind that we mostly only saw the battle from Luke's perspective, so there's a lot that we didn't see--like what happened to those other four Y-Wings for example--so just because we never saw or heard about "Red 22", doesn't mean they weren't there.
 
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All that said, the novelization also mentions that the Tantive IV had been docked with the 'Profundity' for repairs for some time, which one would think supports the notion that that ship at least is stationed there long-term and where the flagship goes, the fleet usually follows.


Why? The Tantive IV is a state ship in the service of Alderaan's House of Organa. Why on earth would it be stationed within the Profundity on a long term basis?


Did people really walk out of the film thinking the ending was a subtextual comment on racial diversity?

I didn't realize that my comment had bothered you that much. No, the audience didn't walk out on the film, thinking the ending was a subtextual comment on racial diversity. It was something that I HAD NOTICED . . . personally. I'm sorry if you cannot deal with how I feel. But I'm certainly not going to take it back.
 
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Why? The Tantive IV is a state ship in the service of Alderaan's House of Organa. Why on earth would it be stationed within the Profundity on a long term basis?

Try re-reading that again. I didn't say the Tantive IV was stationed there, I said it had been docked with the Profundity for repairs. That this would even be feasible suggests the Profundity is usually stationed at Yavin.
 
Try re-reading that again. I didn't say the Tantive IV was stationed there, I said it had been docked with the Profundity for repairs. That this would even be feasible suggests the Profundity is usually stationed at Yavin.


Though I'm not sure why they would want to have any capital ships within the Yavin system. There's not much in the way of habitabble places in the system (3 out of 26 of Yavin's moon's according to Wookiepeida). So large starships in orbit around what's supposedly a moon with no large scale habitation could attract attention unless they think it's so far out of the way the risk is almost nil
 
I imagine the Fleet usually parks were we saw them at the end of the Empire Strike's Back...outside the galaxy. They seem to follow this path in Battlefront's Battle of Scarif DLC as the prologue has a flight of X-wings jump from the Fleet to assist K-2SO is his retrieval of Jyn Erso. The Fleet can see a spiral galaxy from where it sits, and it seems they are on the move a bit. Jumping from one point to another.
 
I imagine the Fleet usually parks were we saw them at the end of the Empire Strike's Back...outside the galaxy.

Wasn't that one of the changes made, instead of being outside the galaxy, the fleet is in interstellar space and the Falcon heads towards a nebula type thing.
 
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