Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion
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The problem with your position is that the SW story was/is so fixed around the characters & situations of the OT, that anything else appears to be piggybacking from its legacy--even if the story takes place at an earlier point in time, like Rogue One & the prequels. In other words, as originally released in theaters, and to generations who discovered the series in the years that followed, they knew the most important story was that told in E4-6. That audience did not demand to know about the mission to steal the Death Star plans, or anything of that kind, as it was not important enough to justify having a film dedicated to it.
Because of that fact, the production of Rogue One seems very superfluous in the grand scheme of the SW story. I doubt anyone would argue that they needed to see that story committed to film as some sort of "support" of ANH.
There have been various tales about the theft of the Death Star plans for decades now. Several conflicting ones in fact going as far back as the Star Wars Radio Drama over three decades ago before the release of Return of the Jedi.
Also what sort of fact is that anyway? Its fiction. Star Wars itself is superfluous, so any author or screenwriter that can find an interesting story to tell that can get approval through Lucasfilm can make any story in the universe. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to make a film about the days of the Old Republic loosely based on Bioware's computer game series and the old Dark Horse Comics series after Episode IX is released given how much money both The Force Awakens and Rogue One are taking in at the box office.
Also what sort of fact is that anyway? Its fiction. Star Wars itself is superfluous, so any author or screenwriter that can find an interesting story to tell that can get approval through Lucasfilm can make any story in the universe. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to make a film about the days of the Old Republic loosely based on Bioware's computer game series and the old Dark Horse Comics series after Episode IX is released given how much money both The Force Awakens and Rogue One are taking in at the box office.
That's nice.
It doesn't make his accent any less annoyingly distracting, though. And it will continue to be annoying no matter how many feel good points you want to award yourself for whatever weird white guilt thing you have going on in your life that causes you to bitch at people seemingly at random. (Which, also is extremely annoying no matter your culture or country of origin. But I'm sure that still makes it racist somehow.)
As I said in my original post on the subject, it was a combination of his personality traits, his story (or lack thereof, depending on your point of view), and his accent that made his character annoying for me. If it was just one of those things, I could have overlooked it easily enough. But he was an all-around downer of a character as far as I'm concerned thanks to all of those things.
(Yet somehow mentioning his accent makes me a racist.)
(Yet somehow mentioning his accent makes me a racist.)
Seems like an apt time to link to this tweet from the man himself. Anyone who still doesn't get it is just terrible at being a human being.
I did not know that!
But that's kind of the whole point of the Anthology/Star War Story, to tell stories that aren't important to the Saga.
So he should have been forced to cover up his natural accent just because it might annoy some people?
I can understand having trouble with certain accents, I just think it's a good idea to try put in a more careful way so you don't offend anyone. Typically I just try to say it made it hard for me to understand what the person was saying or something along those lines. I try to blame myself rather than the accent.
And again, I'm not saying you are racist, I'm just saying that talking about a person's natural accent from their home country the way you did could be interpreted that way by some people. There's a big difference between saying you are something, and saying somebody might interpret something you said that way. I don't know you, so I can't say if you are or are not racist, I was just trying to tell you to be careful.
Finally got around to seeing it on Monday and continuing my run of seeing every Star Wars movie at the cinema.
Didn't have any problems with the CGi for Tarkin and overall found it visually very impressive (loved the shot of the Star Destroy over Jedha and it returned to orbit). Speaking Of Jedha, was it crashed X-wing on the ground where they took on the Stormtroopers?
But overall found it a bit disappointed - especially as they seem to find it necessary to kill off all the main characters.
Didn't have any problems with the CGi for Tarkin and overall found it visually very impressive (loved the shot of the Star Destroy over Jedha and it returned to orbit). Speaking Of Jedha, was it crashed X-wing on the ground where they took on the Stormtroopers?
But overall found it a bit disappointed - especially as they seem to find it necessary to kill off all the main characters.
Usually I wouldn't have a problem with this scenario. But from a real world political view, I had a problem. For the first time, a STAR WARS movie truly featured a multi-cultural cast as its main protagonists. And what does Lucasfilm/Disney do? Have them all killed. We've certainly come a long way.
Some people had problems with Diego Luna's accent? Why?
1.) The only people who seem to get offended any more are sad, pathetic white guys.
2.) Why should anyone care if you're offended by something that has zero effect on you or anything even remotely related to you.
3.) Even if it did have something to do with you, so what? You have no right to not be offended. There was a word for people who got offended by everything like that 'back in the day.' "Pussies." Offended by that? Pussy. (And no, that's not just a random insult.)
Yeah, that's total bullshit. Though I'm sure when people like you troll on forums, it makes you feel better if you do it indirectly rather than directly. Me? I'm not the indirect sort just to avoid a warning. So fuck you for calling me a racist just because I said his accent was one of the many, many reasons I didn't like the Cassian character.
It's been addressed three times already. Feel free to read any of the posts about it. Or just continue to listen to the whiners crying about racism after taking things grossly out of context just so they can pretend to be offended. Your choice, I really don't give a fuck anymore.[/i]
Did people really walk out of the film thinking the ending was a subtextual comment on racial diversity?
I walked out thinking the ending was a comment on how, unlike in most of the SW films, LotR, or many other movies, sometimes even when war missions succeed at their ultimate objective, they come with a terrible cost.
I didn't expect everyone to die, but it was a ballsy thing to do and I give Disney props for having the balls to do it.
Of course, if some people had died but not others, it could be argued that Disney was making an entirely different subtextual comment on racial diversity...
Long ago I figured that everyone on this mission had to have died. Not because we didn't see them in later films, but simply because of how the events in A New Hope play out. If any of the people on the ground who stole the plans had lived, why hadn't they delivered it to the Rebellion? Why wasn't Vader hunting them down to find the Rebel's hidden fortress? Why was Princess Leia his only link to finding said base and the plans in R2-D2 the rebels only hope? The most logical answer is that there were no survivors. Because even if there were survivors on the planet that could not escape in time, they would be hunted down and questioned on the location of the rebel base by Lord Vader, just like Leia was, only they'd likely die, or have no where near the resistance to the mind probe as the Princess.
At this time I can only see one possible retcon-like solution to the idea that everyone died. And that solution will not come about for another two years. The Ghost doing a last second gab of Jyn and Cassian, or its shields protecting them from the tidal wave enough for them to get away. They no longer have the plans on them, so they can't bring those to Alliance, and the Ghost will likely slip out under the cover of the destruction caused by the Death Star, like Cassian's U-wing did earlier in the film. But that is the only way I can see their ever being survivors now, and that might take away from the story.
The Ghost is present at the battle and seen until the Death Star arrives. It is not seen after that. So that gives the writers on Star Wars: Rebels their opening to tell their tale about what the Ghost did at Scarrif, and how they got out...or if they got out.
I still think it be neat if Jyn's kyber crystal became Luke's crystal for his green lightsaber in Return of the Jedi.
At this time I can only see one possible retcon-like solution to the idea that everyone died. And that solution will not come about for another two years. The Ghost doing a last second gab of Jyn and Cassian, or its shields protecting them from the tidal wave enough for them to get away. They no longer have the plans on them, so they can't bring those to Alliance, and the Ghost will likely slip out under the cover of the destruction caused by the Death Star, like Cassian's U-wing did earlier in the film. But that is the only way I can see their ever being survivors now, and that might take away from the story.
The Ghost is present at the battle and seen until the Death Star arrives. It is not seen after that. So that gives the writers on Star Wars: Rebels their opening to tell their tale about what the Ghost did at Scarrif, and how they got out...or if they got out.
I still think it be neat if Jyn's kyber crystal became Luke's crystal for his green lightsaber in Return of the Jedi.
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I don't think they're likely to recon this, least of all in a cartoon. I mean what a way to undercut the impact of the film after the fact, right? I mean why stop there? Why not have the Ghost swoop in at the last moment and grab Bail off of Alderaan too? 
On a related note, I've been wondering where the Ghost might have been during the events of ANH. We know from Rogue One that it was based out of Yavin 4, so why didn't it fly with Red & Gold squadrons against the Death Star?
I like to think the reason is that they're out on a mission; specifically to find out what happened to Princess Leia. Maybe while Luke & company are running around the Death Star, discovering new smells, the Ghost was on Tatooine retracing Leia and the droid's steps?
Perhaps they were in the Alderaan system right after the Death Star jumped away, which is how Yavin heard about it's destruction by the time Leia got back to Yavin 4? I mean to most of the outside galaxy, Alderaan just suddenly dropped off the holonet, which could be anything from a technical malfunction to an Imperial embargo. Plus the Senate was already dissolved at that point, so that line of communication was cut and I can see the Empire taking a few days to craft it's propaganda message before telling it's citizens one of the oldest, most civilised planets in the galaxy just got vaporised for aiding terrorists, no?
On a related note, I've been wondering where the Ghost might have been during the events of ANH. We know from Rogue One that it was based out of Yavin 4, so why didn't it fly with Red & Gold squadrons against the Death Star?
I like to think the reason is that they're out on a mission; specifically to find out what happened to Princess Leia. Maybe while Luke & company are running around the Death Star, discovering new smells, the Ghost was on Tatooine retracing Leia and the droid's steps?
Perhaps they were in the Alderaan system right after the Death Star jumped away, which is how Yavin heard about it's destruction by the time Leia got back to Yavin 4? I mean to most of the outside galaxy, Alderaan just suddenly dropped off the holonet, which could be anything from a technical malfunction to an Imperial embargo. Plus the Senate was already dissolved at that point, so that line of communication was cut and I can see the Empire taking a few days to craft it's propaganda message before telling it's citizens one of the oldest, most civilised planets in the galaxy just got vaporised for aiding terrorists, no?
Ok, you're the one blowing this whole thing way the hell out of proportional. All I was trying to do was give you a friendly warning that what you said could be interpreted as racist, I never said you were being rascist or that I was offended by it. I had not hidden meaning or subtext there, and to be completely honest, I thought I was being helpful.
I don't think they would pull that one to get Jyn and Cassian out, but as I said, that is the only possibly out left.
The Ghost likely went back to the fleet, while the fighters rushed to Yavin 4. The comics have Akbar arrive with the fleet after the Battle of Yavin to help evacuate the base. It might also be that the pounding the Ghost took in the fight was enough to keep her grounded for the next week or so.
The Phantom (whatever number it is by then) is missing on the Ghost, so they also might have to head off to pick up the rest of their crew. Wherever they are. There are roughly two to two and a half seasons until we get to this point in Rebels, so a lot could happen. All we know for certain is that the Ghost still exists, and both Hera and Chopper are still active in the Alliance.
The Ghost likely went back to the fleet, while the fighters rushed to Yavin 4. The comics have Akbar arrive with the fleet after the Battle of Yavin to help evacuate the base. It might also be that the pounding the Ghost took in the fight was enough to keep her grounded for the next week or so.
The Phantom (whatever number it is by then) is missing on the Ghost, so they also might have to head off to pick up the rest of their crew. Wherever they are. There are roughly two to two and a half seasons until we get to this point in Rebels, so a lot could happen. All we know for certain is that the Ghost still exists, and both Hera and Chopper are still active in the Alliance.
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