News Too Much Violence & Cussing in Discovery?

[nafeasonto]

People are actually complaining about seeing more "violence, and cussing." In the new Star Trek series:

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/5l51b1/is_anyone_else_nervous_about_more_adult_content/

Because no one in the 24th century has sex or cusses.

I am reading this thread, and am like "Um.. Am I reading this right." I mean the first pilot of TOS has HALF NAKED dancing green girls.

 

[donners22]

Well, to be fair, they pretty much don't swear except in the occasional movie.

There is a rather puritanical streak in that thread - and the OP openly misrepresents the articles, stating that they "specifically discuss planning more graphic sexual content".

 

[fireproof78]

I'm only concerned that it will become the central focus of the show or an excuse to insert nudity for the sake of it, rather than drive by story.

Also, I don't hate reddit.

 

[Jinn]

I'm only concerned that it will become the central focus of the show or an excuse to insert nudity for the sake of it, rather than drive by story.

Also, I don't hate reddit.

*caugh* Decon *cough*

 

[JonVP]

When "violence, nudity and cussing" means bringing in more realistic human traits, serving character arcs and the story, I'm all for it.

 

[jaime]

When "violence, nudity and cussing" means bringing in more realistic human traits, serving character arcs and the story, I'm all for it.

Realistic human by whose standards? Where is this realistic human from? When is this realistic human from? What is this realistic catch all human culture?

Trek is two hundred plus years in the future, after two massive paradigm shifting events for humanity (ww3 and nuclear holocaust all but wipes us out and changes nation states, then we discover we are not alone in the universe, and unify not only under one world government but one consisting of many alien worlds) so....what does that look like? I can tell you what Trek has established people are like then (no or very few colourful metaphors have survived in common speech, particularly from humans for a start) and I can tell you that very rarely does a character arc depend on something that makes a series less family friendly and lower it's potential audience. But then...we are already having this conversation elsewhere on these boards. I am just curious about this concept of 'more realistic' as really it usually doesn't mean anything of the sort.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

I don't really care if there's violence, sex and cussing if it's organic to the story. I don't think there will be, honestly, even though it's not on TV and not beholden to network TV rules. I don't think "Discovery" will be like the early few episodes of Stargate SG-1 where there was nudity for no particular reason other than they were on Showtime (even though that nude scene in SG-1's pilot was....wow). And then there was Stargate Universe, where there was sex in the first episode just because they were trying to be "edgy and different." It felt artificial.

I watch Star Trek for the world building and the cool starships. I wouldn't mind if they go to a planet where people walk around nude, or if there's sex. If it fits in the story, who cares?

 

[Noname Given]

People are actually complaining about seeing more "violence, and cussing." In the new Star Trek series:

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/5l51b1/is_anyone_else_nervous_about_more_adult_content/

Because no one in the 24th century has sex or cusses.

I am reading this thread, and am like "Um.. Am I reading this right." I mean the first pilot of TOS has HALF NAKED dancing green girls.

They need to read about the series and realize it's NOT set in the 24th century; it's set in the 23rd PRIOR to TOS meaning there should be:
Credits (aka money)
Violence
Prejudice against Aliens (non-humans)
Sexy outfits
A little Misogyny
the occasional non politically correct comment

IF the producers try to turn this era of 23rd century Star Trek into what we saw in TNG and other 24th century era Star Trek series; they can take this series and flush it. As someone who has watched Star Trek since 1969 (I was 6) - if it doesn't reflect Pike's/Kirk's era it really isn't Star Trek (IMO).

 

[jaime]

They need to read about the series and realize it's NOT set in the 24th century; it's set in the 23rd PRIOR to TOS meaning t heir should be:
Credits (aka money)
Violence
Prejudice against Aliens (non-humans)
Sexy outfits
A little Misogyny
the occasional non politically correct comment

IF the producers try to turn this era of 23rd century Star Trek into what we saw in TNG and other 24th century era Star Trek series; they can take this series and flush it. As someone who has watched Star Trek since 1969 (I was 6) - if it doesn't reflect Pike's/Kirk's era it really isn't Star Trek (IMO).

Much as I support a more..24th century approach, it is true that the 23rd century was a little more...rough. I haven't seen Mad Men, but I did enjoy the sixties being viewed through a modern lens in 11.23.63...I wonder which way they will go. Enterprise was less...regressive, so I suspect it won't be a full on TOS approach.

 

[Mudd]

Realistic human by whose standards? Where is this realistic human from? When is this realistic human from? What is this realistic catch all human culture?

For a start it would be "any time and place where human beings behave recognizably like people rather than like Star Trek characters."

 

[Mister Spock]

To be honest, the use of slang, colloquialisms and the occasional light swearing - bitch, bastard etc. - made the characters of Enterprise feel a bit more real to me, more like the sort of people we all know in everyday life.

 

[Focus Abbey]

Does anyone know what reference the Reddit thread is based on? I've kept up with Discovery news pretty closely and that particular statement from CBS doesn't ring a bell.

I watched Star Trek as a kid and I watch it with my kids. I personally would be pretty disappointed if that couldn't be true for Discovery.

 

[Cake]

We had a thread about that statement from a CBS guy about more nudity and swearing in this forum, too.

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/next...s-and-swearing-cbs-digital-chief-says.284858/

 

[JonVP]

Realistic human by whose standards? Where is this realistic human from? When is this realistic human from? What is this realistic catch all human culture? ....
I am just curious about this concept of 'more realistic' as really it usually doesn't mean anything of the sort.

I agree that part of what makes Star Trek different than other genre shows is that humans appear to have evolved into something “better” than we are today.

But every now and then it would be nice to see some people still struggling with their human instincts. By the 23rd or the 24th century there could be billions of humans out there. Some living in Utopia. Others living on colony worlds, each day struggling to keep their heads above water. It would be interesting to follow the journey of a character who didn't grow in this perfect world. See him or her strive to become a “better” person.

 

[uniderth]

I think there being sex, nudity, and violence in the 23rd century probably goes without saying. But it doesn't need to be depicted. Pretty much any depiction of sex is pointless. Really, what is trying to be accomplished by depicting it? Have the characters kiss and then cut to another scene. If I want some I'll go have it myself rather than waste my time watching somebody else have it.

As far as nudity goes I'm fine with depicting non-sexual nudity. I think our culture needs to learn to disassociate nudity with sexuality. My fear is that the nudity will always be presented in an inciting or sexual fashion.

Swearing, I don't see a point in the overuse of swears. It just demphasizes the point swears are trying to make. Cussing all the time is like writing in all caps. Using all caps occasionally can help make a point. Constantly writing in them is just stupid. though I prefer is the futuristic made up swears of some shows. I liked Firefly's gorram. Frak is a good one. It's fun and adds to the world building.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

People are actually complaining about seeing more "violence, and cussing." In the new Star Trek series:

https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/5l51b1/is_anyone_else_nervous_about_more_adult_content/

Because no one in the 24th century has sex or cusses.

I am reading this thread, and am like "Um.. Am I reading this right." I mean the first pilot of TOS has HALF NAKED dancing green girls.

Nafeasonto, instead of expressing your astonishment about every Reddit thread you're reading, why don't you occasionally pick some of the more significant conversations that interest you there and then start a similar discussion here. But not in the form of complaining about random opinions on Reddit, because who cares? If you want to discuss the amount of violence and cussing in Disco, then just ask that question yourself.

I changed the title to give people more of an idea of what you want to discuss.

 

[Awesome Possum]

TNG had a scene where they melt a guy with phasers and a bug crawls out, that's more violent and gorey than anything Discovery did.

 

[Tuskin38]

Nafeasonto, instead of expressing your astonishment about every Reddit thread you're reading, why don't you occasionally pick some of the more significant conversations that interest you there and then start a similar discussion here. But not in the form of complaining about random opinions on Reddit, because who cares? If you want to discuss the amount of violence and cussing in Disco, then just ask that question yourself.

I changed the title to give people more of an idea of what you want to discuss.

Uh, Locutus, you just bumped and are complaining about a 4 year old thread...

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Whoops, my bad. I just went to his profile and checked the threads he started. I meant to get the other current Reddit thread he started.