Really hard to have sympathy for RMB when he engaged in more than his share of the shenanigans and doxxing "haters" (then deleting it once he was caught).
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Really hard to have sympathy for RMB when he engaged in more than his share of the shenanigans and doxxing "haters" (then deleting it once he was caught).
This video is feeding the believers in this production. It would feed me if I was a believer. This video can be used confirm the righteousness of any ill or good belief.Perhaps RMB didn't listen to the same TED talk that Slow Lane and LFIM did..........
Indeed. I had just finished making my own list when I came here and saw yours.
Quoting from that video:
“But he had a gift. …………. He went around telling people what he believed. I believe, I believe, I 'believe' he told people. And people who 'believed' what he believed took his cause and made it their own.”
This 'is' good advise. It also is 'How To Sell' 101: Get people to believe in your belief. Get them to believe in 'you'. That will sell the product.
People who enjoy working in sales can learn to do this effectively.
Some people are born with the innate 'talent' to do this. To create believers.
Here is just part of the list I compiled of others who have/had this gift, or learned this skill - for both good AND ill:
John Kennedy
Sun Myung Moon (messiah claimant & founder of the Unification Church)
Martin Luther King
L. Ron Hubbard (sci-fi writer founder of Scientology)
Karl Marx
Gene Roddenberry
Jimmy Swaggart
Elon Musk
Jim Jones
Harriot Tubbman (escaped slavery, leading abolitionist, led hundreds of people to freedom along the Underground Railroad)
Steve Jobs (Reality Distortion Field is what his people called it)
Bernie Madoff
Martin Luthor (and the world did 'not' end by 1600)
John Mather (astrophysicist, cosmologist and Nobel Prize in Physics)
Bernie Sanders
Charles Manson
The US president-elect
Joseph McCarthy (leader in accusations of treason without regard for evidence)
John Wesley (abolitionist, Temperance movement, Revelation 12:14 referred to the years 1058–183 Second Coming.)
Richard Branson (offering $25 million to individual/group able to demonstrate a commercially viable design that will result in the net removal of anthropogenic, atmospheric greenhouse gases each year for at least ten years without countervailing harmful effects. And about a billion various other things)
Vladimir Lenin (encouraged violent insurrection & mass terror)
Jean Dixon (20th century psychic & astrologer)
David Koresh (Waco)
Pat Robertson
Mahatma Gandhi
Jerry Falwell
Grigori Rasputin
Marshall Applewhite (Heaven's Gate)
Emmeline Pankhurst (leader of the British suffragette movement)
William Miller (In 1844, with no Internet, tens and tens and tens and tens of thousands of intelligent believers across socioeconomic groups in his exact date for the Second Coming. Which date came and went.)
And that's the thing. Inspired leadership is not by definition a good person inspiring people into a good cause or doing good things. Using the Why as described in this video is just as useful in inspiring believers to do wrong, mistaken, the harmful. So neither the belief 'in' something nor belief in a person who believes in something is any kind of Confirmation of the validity, soundness, or righteousness of the belief itself or its inspirational leader. And that video does not speak to that part of and use of the 'Why'.
It is researchable, it has multiple people from different venues at different times saying the same thing, it has been said and won in court: there was a writer who frequently decried the poor income from being a writer, who said on multiple occasions to different people in different venues at different times that the money was in religion. Then went out and created one and got rich. And the people who believe in this religion cannot be swayed by fact or reason.
Disproof of a belief is often observed to not be enough to undermine it.
It is frequently observed that believers, in good conscience and intelligent, will edit out things to avoid being mistaken.
Belief is Seductive.
In the 1950s Leon Festinger's studied prophecy 'believers'. He wrote:
“Although there is a limit beyond which belief will not withstand disconfirmation, it is clear that the introduction of contrary evidence can serve to increase the conviction and enthusiasm of a believer.”
Believing, belief, believers cross all social, economical, educational, and intellectual barriers.
And that video is emotional food and skewed fact for the believers in this production.
I believe (<-
) that continuously presenting facts about this production in as generous a way as possible is the best way to facilitate a safe environment for the believers in this production to stop reacting and start examining their belief.
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Where did all the donated money go?
Read these court documents. LFIM & Co. used donor funds living the high life on the donor's dime.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzmetJxi-p0VYmgwd3NsY05VNU0/view
Meh, none of those guys ever had a selfie with Justin Lin. Losers.
I watched that, and I was struck by how much AP resembles Langley.Perhaps RMB didn't listen to the same TED talk that Slow Lane and LFIM did..........
I don't remember who Langley is.
I don't have any sympathy anymore for those that did not leave Axanar when the lawsuit happened a year ago. Earlier in this thread I have, in more than one post, I implored Axanar crew members to leave the production for there own good. Staying on this sinking ship is career suicide! The Peters Kool-aid is strong.
Great leaders also accomplish what they set out to do.Perhaps RMB didn't listen to the same TED talk that Slow Lane and LFIM did..........
Alec Peters did that with Prelude (basically because he sat back and let the people who KNEW how to run a production - RUN the production). But as soon as he himself actually stepped in and 'took control' for the Axanar feature; you had those same people bail (because they couldn't deal with Alec's non-professional attitude and bone head decisions); and the Axanar project has devolved into the Clusterfuck it is today.
There are a number of terms I could use to describe Alec Peters. 'Great Leader' is not one of them.
Either way it has hurt him. Legally he is not going to be sued by C/P, but career-wise I'm sure this may cost him some opportunities done the road.
I think the answer depends on the date/time you ask Mr. Burnett the question; and is also affected by the amount of alcohol he has imbibed when you ask the queston as well.
Good point about separating sales pitching from creation of results. After the sale, you have to deliver.
And good point about the sales technique being ethically amoral. Believing in the merit of something does not convey merit upon the execution path chosen to create that something, or the consequences of that something existing. It just anoints the believer in righteousness. Again, the attention is on the real outcome.
Axanar? *What* real outcome?
And good point about the sales technique being ethically amoral. Believing in the merit of something does not convey merit upon the execution path chosen to create that something, or the consequences of that something existing. It just anoints the believer in righteousness. Again, the attention is on the real outcome.
Axanar? *What* real outcome?
Langley was apparently a guy who wanted to invented powered flight and lost out to the Wright Brothers. He's mentioned in the video as a guy who didn't do it for passion or interest; he did it for the bucks (and also hired people just to get it done, rather than impart his vision to them).
Indeed. I've always been amused by how supporters constantly refer to Axanar and it's quality as if the movie has already been made.
IMO, the "passion or interest" that leads to raw creation ultimately is the burning desire to say to hell with endless preexisting frames (theoretical, and strategic like "you have to have passion or interest"), and instead see what is really possible once the "sayers not doers" (including those inside your own head) are out of the picture.
Some of those ideas will not mesh with interests in the world. "Passion or interest" might then be able to shift perceptions or expectations of the world.
With this distinction, I suspect this is what Axanar is claiming.
But I don't think Axanar should try to claim this mantle. The claim that "fair use" should allow semipro-fans to build unlicensed commercial operations atop existing IP is just garbage. Having "passion" for it does not make the idea "a creative act" or convince anyone that it should be accepted.
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So many people don't understand fair use. I'm restraining myself from screaming at people in the Facebook NaNoWriMo group who claim fanfiction is always fair use. No, it's not, and not getting a profit off it only makes it (maybe) an instance where there are no or few damages. But that doesn't magically, mystically turn it into fair use.
There's a thread in this BBS where a guy wants to do a some kind of "mental exercise" where a fan committee decides what is canon and what isn't, including fan fiction. I don't know why some people feel entitled to this kind of thing, but it's out there.
There have been a few instances where authors have been unhappy with fan fiction of their works appearing online, hasn't there?
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