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Thank you for doing all of these for the Trek fans, jespah. I know its a lot. You rawk!
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Axa-mas?
Thank you for doing all of these for the Trek fans, jespah. I know its a lot. You rawk!
I'm not playing this game unless I get to be a cupcake
Your tax money at work people! ;-)How does the case schedule leading up to trial shape up now that Judge Klausner canceled the summary judgment hearing? Here's AxaMonitor's timeline of significant dates between now and the trial. The PDF version (400KB) is suitable for framing
With this graphic I understand the next two months goings-on much better. Please do give me a measure of forgiveness if not all of the previously generously offered explanations and other well done graphics jespah, oswriter, axamonitor, & fff give me for clarity do not fully 'compute' with me because with law words (motions, briefs, summary, pleading, etc. etc.) I often still find myself more that a bit struggling to See the picture.How does the case schedule leading up to trial shape up now that Judge Klausner canceled the summary judgment hearing? Here's AxaMonitor's timeline of significant dates between now and the trial. The PDF version (400KB) is suitable for framing
But this particular graphic pulled more of it into focus for me. Thanks bunches.
As an aside, I keep noticing I'm still responding very negatively to the pic of L&L Zavin. I do hope he doesn't come across to a jury like his picture does to me. I speculate that if I knew nothing abt ST or what I've tracked going on and was learning it all from him at trial.... I might possibly be a juror who could very unintentionally respond less favorably to what he was telling me. Just because it was him telling me.
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Its a rare SF franchise (not counting kiddie stuff) that endures. Even BSG fell right off after a couple years. Star Wars, Marvel universe, Dr. Who, and what else these days aside from Trek?
Somehow I don't think those folks will be any more amenable than C/P to a strategy of stealing their IP revenues in order to impress them enough to be put in charge
Auctions, well, there's a constant flow of stuff to sell. But if that's what he wanted to make a career of, I think he would have cared for it and built it up.
I wonder how much longer the main Axanar website, not to mention the donor store will remain up and running. With the amount of information out there and LFIM's actions/motives laid bare for all to see, keeping them up seems like a fruitless gesture at this point (though I'd imagine its still a good way for Slow Lane to get his time in the sun)
True, but the Trek fanbase was tailor made for his brand of thievery.
1. It has a huge fan base.
2. Its huge fan base has a not-insignificant percentage of fans willing to spend money on things related to the franchise outside of movie tickets.
3. Its huge fanbase has a not-insignificant percentage of fans disaffected by the current state of the franchise.
4. Up until this year, the franchise turned a blind eye to people performing minor infringements upon their property.
In other words, there are a good number of people who like Trek who are also morons. Yes, Star Wars probably has more fans but I'd argue they aren't as rabid about protecting "George's vision", the current direction of the movies is seen as good by an overwhelming percentage of fans (not so 10 years ago), and SW is owned by Disney so good luck getting away with shit there.
Could you do something with Battlestar fans? Maybe. But that's just a fraction of Trek's. There doesn't seem to be much demand. If there were the you'd think NBCU would be on it.
There's a ton of nerd-ragey demand for Firefly - but another comparatively small fan base. Pretty sure Fox would come down on him hard too.
Babylon 5? Meh. No one cares.
No, Trek was is best - if not only - chance at using someone else's intellect and hard work to personally profit from and actually become a player in Hollywood. If he would've had a fucking ounce of humility through all this he probably could've salvaged something but - by the Ghost of Roddenberry I've never seen someone who's so far up their own ass before.
I agree this has been his best chance, he'll never again know how it feels to have $1.5 of other peoples money in his bank and I hope that knowledge and the fact he let down so many people haunts him until senility takes it away from him. But that said, he isn't going to go and get a regular paying job now, not at his time of life, and that's before you consider how humiliating he would see that as being.
So what's left? More grifting. And my best guess is you will see him staying within the fan community for the reasons we all gave but, perhaps, the superhero or superheroine fan communities instead.
I know, right. So many times since this whole thing came into my awareness I've thought this same thing. I certainly recognize that I was part of the fandom that was ripe for the picking. (and though I'm somewhat reasonably sure I'm not a moron
I do part easily with my money when it comes to Star Trek ) But I 'have' learned from this whole thing. To look into things more closely than I have ever done before.
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I care. But a few critical cast members have passed away over the past decade that it wouldn't be the same.
Back on topic, I asked a few pages back if anyone who has Facebook have noticed any response from Axanar fans to the new released financials that apparently show that the money has been all spent. Any thoughts from people here?
I care. But a few critical cast members have passed away over the past decade that it wouldn't be the same.
Back on topic, I asked a few pages back if anyone who has Facebook have noticed any response from Axanar fans to the new released financials that apparently show that the money has been all spent. Any thoughts from people here?
The main 'Axanar' page (the only one that is still open) appears to be carefully curated. If there are any fans speaking up, they're obviously finding their responses squashed still. (i.e. if the information is getting out and fans are getting informed, they're being kept from speaking up)
The party line is that the financial information from the Tregellis expert financial witness report is less than one page out of that 50-page report, painting an incomplete picture and therefore not worth talking about.
The other part of the party line is that without knowing precisely what Alec Peters spent the money on, condemning him for it is premature. This, of course, elides the point that it's irrelevant what the money was spent on since it's clear that it wasn't spent to produce the movie.
The other part of the party line is that without knowing precisely what Alec Peters spent the money on, condemning him for it is premature. This, of course, elides the point that it's irrelevant what the money was spent on since it's clear that it wasn't spent to produce the movie.
So is that Alec calling himself a great leader?
I can't remember, and don't really feel like going through all of the history here, but what is the significance of the summary judgements? Will Klausner's decision put an end to this whole thing once and for all, or is it just another step in the case?
I can't remember, and don't really feel like going through all of the history here, but what is the significance of the summary judgements? Will Klausner's decision put an end to this whole thing once and for all, or is it just another step in the case?
I won't comment on what Alec Peters thinks of himself, since he performs ubiquitously in that regard.So is that Alec calling himself a great leader?
I can't remember, and don't really feel like going through all of the history here, but what is the significance of the summary judgements? Will Klausner's decision put an end to this whole thing once and for all, or is it just another step in the case?
With regard to the summary judgment, this AxaMonitor article should bring you up to speed. As for Klausner's decision, even if he does issue a summary judgment ruling, either side will likely appeal so it ain't over and may not be for some time. It just raises the stakes.
Perhaps RMB didn't listen to the same TED talk that Slow Lane and LFIM did..........
The thing about worthy leadership is that there is always some sort of value-add from the leader that guides a group of people to create new things or solve problems or elevate themselves with new understanding.
What value was created for whom by taking dollar value off of Trek IP and applying it to teaser-trailers, a studio, and personal perks?
Who actually led any of the creative work product of Axanar?
Court evidence and public statements of former associates has it, (a) people were guided to line leaders pockets or invest in his studio, notwithstanding EMPTY TALK of doing something worthy for fandom, and (b) the creative work was 99% done by professional creatives who joined in for a bit, and then 100% fled after they had a taste of leader.
Comparing this conduct to MLK or creators of industry or important inventors is obnoxiously specious.
All the propaganda (like the above) *still* being put forward to donors now about the vision and value of this project and the hubris which the donors should join into is laid waste by the revealed conduct of the project's leadership. There IS NO worthy center of this project standard-borne by Alec anymore. There are just the outcomes: his studio, his bid for showrunner credentials, his high life, his vanity project, his denial of the law, his total lack of responsible conduct toward donors for their million and a half dollars. That is all.
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