Wookieepedia at least still considers it canon because George Lucas is the one who stated that it is the Falcon.
Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)
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Wookieepedia at least still considers it canon because George Lucas is the one who stated that it is the Falcon.
By most accounts there was only ever about a dozen Constitutions ever built and by TNG they were museum pieces. You may as well be decrying the lack of three mast, first-rate wooden ships of the line in a WWII movie.
The Mirandas and Oberths while about as old or older, they were much more utilitarian (to say nothing of economical) designs so it makes sense they'd make a lot more of those and that they'd stay in service longer in ancillary roles. Not so for ships of the line. One they're superseded they're more or less obsolete. The ones still operational can still serve a secondary service, but there's no reason to keep cranking them out. Indeed, going vaguely by the reg numbers, most of the Excelsiors we saw that were still around seemed to all have been built in the early to mid 23rd century, so they were already in the process of being aged out.
Why? Those designs were only a few years old at most when the war broke out. Exactly how many do you suppose they would have built vs. the hundreds of Excelsiors and Mirandas they've been cranking out for almost a century?
Plus, what we saw of the large fleet actions (of which we only saw about 4 or 5 out of potentially *hundreds*) was mostly way out on the frontier. It makes sense to keep the newer more advanced ships closer to home, both to better protect the more valuable assets and because they're largely untested, whereas the Galaxys and Nebulas and what have you each had a good decade of field operations under their belts to work out all the quirks. It's really not a good idea to field unproven designs on the front lines.
Again though, there was probably only a handful of each of those two classes in the whole galaxy, so it's a bit academic give the very narrow view we had of of that conflict.
Getting back the the relevant topic: like I said, the Corellian freighters are supposed to be all over the place for decades if not centuries. These aren't big warships, they're *civillian freighters*. Something akin to the Ford Transit vans of the galaxy. So it feels a bit odd that we never actually see any is all I'm saying.
I really don't hold wookipedia as the authority on what is and is not canonical. Now on the other hand if Pablo has said something to that effect, that's a different thing.
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There is no canonical information on how many Connies were built. The "accounts" you're talking about were devised after the fact to justify the real-world production disparity I'm talking about. And that's the topic here -- not in-universe handwaves, but the real reasons why the producers of TV shows and movies choose to limit the reuse of iconic starship designs. I'm always bewildered when fans try to justify the decisions of the creators of fiction by invoking some in-universe "fact," as if the fictional universe were real and the storytellers were somehow compelled to portray it a certain way. The storytellers can do it however they want. If they'd wanted to fill the screen with a hundred Constitution-class ships in TNG or a hundred YT-whatever Corellian freighters in Return of the Jedi, they would've done so and fandom would've spent the past few decades explaining why their abundance made sense instead of explaining why their absence made sense. But they didn't do that, because it was a better real-world decision to avoid reusing the designs of the iconic hero ships.
The only canonical information about the number of Connies that I recall occurs in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," but it's pretty definite, at least for the specific time period Kirk was referring to,
Yes, for that time period. There is no reason to think that they stopped building Constitution Class ships after "Tomorrow is Yesterday." Just like there's no reason to think that all the Constitution Class ships were refitted by the TMP era and none of them were new builds. We've got the NCC 1701-A which was definitely a new build.
It makes sense to crank out Mirandas and Oberths for a century but not Constitutions?
Don't forget, we saw Constitution wreckage at Wolf 359.
Fighting an incredible war against a powerful enemy and people think it makes sense to NOT use Sovereign's in the fleet? To keep them as some kind of rear guard? Is there any precedent for this in 20th or 21st century wars? Some new class of ship built in World War II that they thought should have been kept in home ports or away from combat zones?
The Dominion War was not some backwater border war or brush skirmish. Betazed fell to the Dominion for a time. The Klingons and Romulans were involved in the war. The Breen even struck Earth during the war.
Ooops, sorry. Thought I was still in the DS-9 subforum.
Uhh.. on topic...yeah... YT1300s should have been seen a bit more. Alas, you show one and everyone thinks it's the Falcon. Give it a different paint job or decaling. Personally, I would rather the Easter egg (like the 1300 in ROTS) NOT be the hero ship. Unless there is a reason the design is one-of-a-kind we should see one pop up now and then.
For this reason I was hoping to see pristine X-Wings in ROTS instead of those new X-Wing like craft we had. Ships should have started bridging the gap, in my opinion.
It makes sense to crank out Mirandas and Oberths for a century but not Constitutions?
Don't forget, we saw Constitution wreckage at Wolf 359.
Fighting an incredible war against a powerful enemy and people think it makes sense to NOT use Sovereign's in the fleet? To keep them as some kind of rear guard? Is there any precedent for this in 20th or 21st century wars? Some new class of ship built in World War II that they thought should have been kept in home ports or away from combat zones?
The Dominion War was not some backwater border war or brush skirmish. Betazed fell to the Dominion for a time. The Klingons and Romulans were involved in the war. The Breen even struck Earth during the war.
Ooops, sorry. Thought I was still in the DS-9 subforum.
Uhh.. on topic...yeah... YT1300s should have been seen a bit more. Alas, you show one and everyone thinks it's the Falcon. Give it a different paint job or decaling. Personally, I would rather the Easter egg (like the 1300 in ROTS) NOT be the hero ship. Unless there is a reason the design is one-of-a-kind we should see one pop up now and then.
For this reason I was hoping to see pristine X-Wings in ROTS instead of those new X-Wing like craft we had. Ships should have started bridging the gap, in my opinion.
The Japanese held most of their battleships in reserve to defend the Home Islands in preparation for the decisive battle. The United States also held back a lot of its battleships to defend the coasts until they were on the offensive, and even used their newer ones for carrier escorts and their old ones for shore bombardment. It was extremely rare for them to engage in ship to ship combat.
Starfleet may have kept the newer Sovereigns back to defend the Member home worlds or core of the Federation as they were on the defensive for much of the war. USS Enterprise appears to have been on diplomatic hotspot duty for much of the war, filling in for all those other ships on the front lines, as it could probably do the job of a dozen starships at once across a sector. Until its post-war refit, the ship was not all that much better than a Galaxy-class in combat, and certainly not worth a dozen starships in battle, but worth more than that elsewhere in the Federation to free up those dozen or more ships for the war. Assuming the didn't you know, defend Earth from the Breen or something.
As for the Rebels and their ships, we see new Y-wings in the Clone Wars, and some Z-95 Headhunters later in the series. The X-wings are suppose to be a derivative of the Z-95 and the ARC-170 fighters. The A-wings seem to be an old fighter now as well, perhaps even common, while the Y-wings are being retired by the Empire. As for why we don't see so many YT series freighters? Maybe they are more common near Corellian Space rather than all over the galaxy. We might go there later on for the creation of the Rebel Alliance.
That reminds me...we still haven't see a Bulk Cruiser or even "one of those big Corellian ships" that Han Solo was boasting about being able to outrun. The Imperial Star Destroyers were easy to outrun by comparison I guess.
Starfleet may have kept the newer Sovereigns back to defend the Member home worlds or core of the Federation as they were on the defensive for much of the war. USS Enterprise appears to have been on diplomatic hotspot duty for much of the war, filling in for all those other ships on the front lines, as it could probably do the job of a dozen starships at once across a sector. Until its post-war refit, the ship was not all that much better than a Galaxy-class in combat, and certainly not worth a dozen starships in battle, but worth more than that elsewhere in the Federation to free up those dozen or more ships for the war. Assuming the didn't you know, defend Earth from the Breen or something.
As for the Rebels and their ships, we see new Y-wings in the Clone Wars, and some Z-95 Headhunters later in the series. The X-wings are suppose to be a derivative of the Z-95 and the ARC-170 fighters. The A-wings seem to be an old fighter now as well, perhaps even common, while the Y-wings are being retired by the Empire. As for why we don't see so many YT series freighters? Maybe they are more common near Corellian Space rather than all over the galaxy. We might go there later on for the creation of the Rebel Alliance.
That reminds me...we still haven't see a Bulk Cruiser or even "one of those big Corellian ships" that Han Solo was boasting about being able to outrun. The Imperial Star Destroyers were easy to outrun by comparison I guess.
They are called Imperial Star Destroyers in the screenplay's descriptive passages, just not in dialogue:
http://whills.nu/4/sw7.html
Interestingly, the only dialogue reference to "Corellian" anything is to the Imperial starships Han has outrun, and yet there are two lines of description calling the Falcon a "Corellian pirateship" [sic]. And the only other use of the adjective in the OT scripts is to "a dozen small Corellian battleships" in the Rebel fleet in ROTJ. So Lucas seemed to see it exclusively as a term associated with starships -- going from the scripts alone, you might interpret it to be the name of a culture or even a corporation that's one of the major ship providers in the galaxy. So what's the origin of the idea that Corellia is Han Solo's homeworld?
Assuming you mean Death Star, yes. It was used in the opening text scroll, once on the Blockade Runner when an Imperial officer says "The Death Star plans are not in the main computer," and several times on Yavin when an intercom voice reported on its approach.
So both Ezra and Maul saw the same person, Obi-Wan. I was thinking Ezra saw Luke, but I guess not. Maul recognized Tatooine because he'd been there before, Ezra doesn't know it. Bail Organa must know and tell them, how else would Leia know in Episode 4? Unless the Ghost crew told Bail after they find out
Bail was in the room when Yoda said to take Luke to Tatooine. He knows already. Also, as per the Ahsoka novel, they have a means to communicate in case of emergency (I'm assuming the reason that doesn't happen in ANH is because it's indirect somehow, like a dead drop. Indeed I've been harbouring a pet theory for a while now that the courier for said drop is Chewbacca. Makes Obi Wan walking right up to him in that cantina somewhat less of a coincidence that way.)
Personally, ever since they had the vision earlier this season, I've kind of looking forward to Bail reaction if the rebels mention to him Maul is on the loose and heading to a desert planet looking for Kenobi. I'm anticipating a total freak out.
Personally, ever since they had the vision earlier this season, I've kind of looking forward to Bail reaction if the rebels mention to him Maul is on the loose and heading to a desert planet looking for Kenobi. I'm anticipating a total freak out.
Chewie's relationship with the Jedi really needs to be explored. Has anything, even Legends material ever embellished on this, particularly how and why Yoda considers him a dear friend in ROTS?
If there is, no-one has recorded it on Wookieepedia.
Aside from the incident with Ahsoka, I don't think Yoda really had a prior relationship to Chewbacca specifically, just that he had good relations with the Wookiees in general. Presumably at some point in the past he was of service to Kashyyyk and the Wookiees have *really* long memories.
But to answer your question: no. To the best of my knowledge I don't think even the EU even so much as touched on this connection. I recently read the RotS novelization and there was no elaboration on the point there either.
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It's the Darksaber from Clone Wars. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darksaber_(lightsaber)
Well Fulcrum was voiced by David Oyelowo
Sure it could have been misdirection but it was pretty obvious he was Fulcrum