I still don't get how they don't understand that the more they talk, the more fans turn against them? It is like they are desperate for attention, doesn't matter if it is good or bad attention.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I still don't get how they don't understand that the more they talk, the more fans turn against them? It is like they are desperate for attention, doesn't matter if it is good or bad attention.
Here's the current WGA Credits Manual for anyone interested in this minutiae.
To quote the Ninth Circuit decision I discussed yesterday, "The issue of whether a work is a parody is a question of law, not a matter of public majority opinion." Unfortunately, we live in an age when people think social media has magical powers that transcend the legal system.
Alec Peters and Co. have never understood that aspect of the situation. Hell, it's why he was spamming Producer comments about 'Ares Digital 2.0' over and over on the Axanar Kick Starter page - to push negative Backer comments from view.
The only logic I can see otherwise is that somehow Alec Peters hopes more mainstream entertainment sites and news organizations parrot his version of events - and somehow that builds to a groundswell of public support and somehow puts more pressure on CBS/Paramount to give a settlement that's more favorable to Axanar then what they've offered so far.
Is that going to happen at this point? Probably not - but it also shows just how absolutely desperate Alec Peters and his shrinking legion of 'Axanar Faithful' are at this point.
My guess is that aside from Peters' ego requiring a devoted following, he's hoping that if the case goes to trial, enough members of the jury will be sympathetic to his cause.
I'd say he has an uphill fight in Hollywood (LA). Where so many people make their living off of copyright material, directly and indirectly.
I am a board member of one of the worlds longest running fan clubs. While I would never speak on such matters on behalf of the club, nor would I use that as a backing for my own opinion, everyone I've spoken to about the case think Peters is a twat.
Despite that statistic - I'm not going to make a pie chart of who supports Peters in another club. And if I did, it'd be just as ludicrous as Lane's number crunching.
Why have I only spoken two people from Camp Axanar that hasn't made me cringe or wish death upon myself?
The key phrase is "among those who know about Axanar". When you are down in the noise of statistics like 0.01% of fans in both "sides" combined, you are not measuring the overall opinion Trek fans would have. You are measuring dust pops on the turntable.
Ones' attention in this situation should be entirely in the substance of the arguments raised:
Pro: we want the movie, we want the studios to take it as a partnership, we want the law to be overruled by our desires, we want...
Con: fact the law is broken, fact the money was diverted by a planned scheme to build a for profit studio and stretch out the film over several millions in fundraising to do this, fact "pro" people are kept in a walled garden and fed "we want" arguments, fact ...
They are trying to keep the wants/wishes alive and not crushed by facts that have already ended the whole thing. Talking a constant patter to the faithful is necessary to do this.
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All the social media stuff reminds me of a story I keep hearing (paraphrased).
A group of young new hires in a traditionally conservative company decide that they don't like the company's long-standing dress code. So, they start a petition to force the company to change it.
After collecting signatures and submitting it to management, the initiators of the petition were called in for a meeting with the board. Expecting a victory, they were dumbfounded when they were handed their walking papers.
This may or may not be a true story, but there is a lesson to be learned: It doesn't matter how many signatures or likes or thumbs-up you get. Right or wrong, the owners still call the shots.
A group of young new hires in a traditionally conservative company decide that they don't like the company's long-standing dress code. So, they start a petition to force the company to change it.
After collecting signatures and submitting it to management, the initiators of the petition were called in for a meeting with the board. Expecting a victory, they were dumbfounded when they were handed their walking papers.
This may or may not be a true story, but there is a lesson to be learned: It doesn't matter how many signatures or likes or thumbs-up you get. Right or wrong, the owners still call the shots.
At EDS, Ross Perot dictated the nature of your haircut.
These folks did vote, they just weren't aware how drastically the outcome would differ from what they thought they were voting on.
That may be the origin of the story.
But for all the social media campaigning, AP's influence on the segment of the public where it could actually influence a jury is negligible. Pretty much a statistical zero, if I were to guess.
Yea, "interns". They are present as a favor to them for the most part. But they want to change the operating rules of their hosts just because it would give pleasure to the interns?
Where has anyone heard *that* before?
So, near graduation interns got axed for a dress code petition. I guess I'm an old Baby Boomer too; because if I was managing a bunch of near 20 year old interns at a company and they hit me with something like this; I'd have shown them the door too.
As an intern you're there to LEARN and GET real-world experience. If a few of them had come and ASKED about why something is the way it is - I'd have told them, and taken any input they had, evaluated it, and answered further; and sent them back to their duties. But yeah if out of the blue they hit me with a signed petition and arguments about something as trivial as the company dress code; not really asking anything beforehand...buh-bye.
That's the one. Thanks.
Who needs real-world experience when you have crowdfunding?
The jury is not going to see the "petitions" or self-serving posts from Axanar's in-house writer. They're unlikely to even see a lot of the "but other fan films were doing it too!" stuff. And obviously, potential jurors will be screened to ensure they've had no pretrial exposure to this case.
The jury also won't hear about the ridiculous attempts by LFIM and defense counsel to redefine basic elements of copyright law. The judge instructs the jury on the law. Honestly, the defense's argument at this point is little more than a call for jury nullification, which won't sit well with Judge Klausner (assuming he even lets this get to a jury, and I'm optimistic he won't).
Honest, your honor, I have never heard of Star Trek!
What is this Star Trek of which you speak?
Welcome to the world of entitlement
If you only knew how much you're speaking to the day I'm having.
Those Interns have no idea what a strict dress code is. I did a four year hitch in the Army as a Cavalry Recon Scout. Army Regulation 670-1 was a fact of life everyday for those four years and if you didn't like it, there were plenty of Officers and NCO's available to teach you the error of your ways.That's the one. Thanks.
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