Additional Spock's Brain Cue for Trek 50th Soundtrack

[Methuselah Flint]

It appears that small cue from Spock's Brain I said was missing several years back, from the TOS Soundtrack Collection is present on the 50th Album:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/11/musical-surprises-fill-la-la-lands-trek-50th-soundtrack/

The TOS CD came in at 1.10, but the same listing comes in at 2.31 on the new set. One of my favourite cues, a pity it can't be made available to those of us who bought the TOS Boxset. Was it missed off the former in error, or only recently found, I wonder?

 

[Indysolo]

...a pity it can't be made available to those of us who bought the TOS Boxset.

It's available to everyone who bought the box set and even those who didn't.

Was it missed off the former in error, or only recently found, I wonder?

Here's a sneak peek of the liner notes:

"In assembling over 17 hours of music for the TOS box set, two short cues by Fred Steiner were inadvertently omitted: 'No Mind' and 'The Question' from the third-season episode 'Spock's Brain'. The corrected, complete 'Spock's Brain' track–'No Mind'/'Tense Moment'/Tracking the Alien'/'The Question'–is presented on track 26.

Neil

 

[Joe_Atari]

Hey Neil:

Looks like a great release! As good a place as any to ask: Is the short Losira disappearing cue from "That Which Survives" on the 2012 set or on this new release? Thanks!

 

[Indysolo]

Hey Neil:

Looks like a great release! As good a place as any to ask: Is the short Losira disappearing cue from "That Which Survives" on the 2012 set or on this new release? Thanks!

That's a tracked episode, so the music is somewhere in the box set. Sometimes in that episode they used the season 3 library recording of "Man Trap" music, and that is on this set from the recently discovered first-generation tape. That's in the box set from a library dub.

I should also point out that the "Spock's Brain" fix isn't the only bit of extra TOS music that debuts in this new collection.

Neil

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Thanks Neil!

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Just to confirm, Neil, the cue I mean is the one used in almost every episode of Season Three thereafter?

 

[Spock's Barber]

Is this the source of the music cues?

 

[Indysolo]

Just to confirm, Neil, the cue I mean is the one used in almost every episode of Season Three thereafter?

The two added cues are whatever's heard in "Spock's Brain". I cannot confirm where else they're used.

Neil

 

[Methuselah Flint]

The two added cues are whatever's heard in "Spock's Brain". I cannot confirm where else they're used.

Neil

Ok thanks Neil! But we'll have all of Spock's Brain once this set is released, right?

And thank you for making these sets possible for us!

 

[Indysolo]

Ok thanks Neil! But we'll have all of Spock's Brain once this set is released, right?

Can anyone truly ever have all of "Spock's Brain"?

And thank you for making these sets possible for us!

You're welcome. I hope you enjoy it!

Neil

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Ha! True true! Any idea when we can order on the website?

 

[Indysolo]

Tuesday at 12 PM PST.

Neil

 

[Joe_Atari]

Hey Neil:

Looks like a great release! As good a place as any to ask: Is the short Losira disappearing cue from "That Which Survives" on the 2012 set or on this new release? Thanks!

That's a tracked episode, so the music is somewhere in the box set. Sometimes in that episode they used the season 3 library recording of "Man Trap" music, and that is on this set from the recently discovered first-generation tape. That's in the box set from a library dub.

Thanks Neil; I am sooo looking forward to the TAS score in particular!

I understand there are legal issues with releasing the original cue sheets for the tracked episodes in their entirety (copies, scans, etc.), but at one time there was discussion (including input from Jeff Bond) of transcribing the cue sheets (which is what he did with the ones that appear in The Music of Star Trek book). As I recall the cue sheets are available for inspection; the only issue was the labor involved in the actual transcription. Am I recalling the situation correctly? As much as I love the 2012 set, with the sheer volume of material I've often found it frustrating trying to hunt down a tracked cue (although rewarding when I finally do!).

Can anyone please point out the "That Which Survives" Losira disappearing cue in the 2012 box set?

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Thanks Neil; I am sooo looking forward to the TAS score in particular!

I understand there are legal issues with releasing the original cue sheets for the tracked episodes in their entirety (copies, scans, etc.), but at one time there was discussion (including input from Jeff Bond) of transcribing the cue sheets (which is what he did with the ones that appear in The Music of Star Trek book). As I recall the cue sheets are available for inspection; the only issue was the labor involved in the actual transcription. Am I recalling the situation correctly? As much as I love the 2012 set, with the sheer volume of material I've often found it frustrating trying to hunt down a tracked cue (although rewarding when I finally do!).

Can anyone please point out the "That Which Survives" Losira disappearing cue in the 2012 box set?

The latter part is a Man Trap re-recording using female vocals instead of electric violin. Not sure about the opening 'crash' of instruments though.

 

[Joe_Atari]

Just to confirm, Neil, the cue I mean is the one used in almost every episode of Season Three thereafter?

What specifically is this cue? I was unaware anything was missing from "Spock's Brain" on the box set.

Can you point to a specific time from the aired episode?

Thanks!

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Sickbay, Act 1:

MCCOY: That incredible Vulcan physique hung on until the life-support cycle took over. His body lives. The autonomic functions continue. But there is no mind.
CUE STARTS
KIRK: That girl.
SCOTT: Aye.
MCCOY: What girl?
KIRK: From that ship. She took it.
CUE FADES
KIRK: I don't know why, or where, but she must have taken it.

 

[Joe_Atari]

The latter part is a Man Trap re-recording using female vocals instead of electric violin. Not sure about the opening 'crash' of instruments though.

Yeah, I kind of hear it now, definitely a re-recording.

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[Indysolo]

Thanks Neil; I am sooo looking forward to the TAS score in particular!

I understand there are legal issues with releasing the original cue sheets for the tracked episodes in their entirety (copies, scans, etc.), but at one time there was discussion (including input from Jeff Bond) of transcribing the cue sheets (which is what he did with the ones that appear in The Music of Star Trek book). As I recall the cue sheets are available for inspection; the only issue was the labor involved in the actual transcription. Am I recalling the situation correctly? As much as I love the 2012 set, with the sheer volume of material I've often found it frustrating trying to hunt down a tracked cue (although rewarding when I finally do!).

Can anyone please point out the "That Which Survives" Losira disappearing cue in the 2012 box set?

The cue sheets wouldn't really be helpful. They were riddled with mistakes and typos. The best you can do is just keep listening and listening. Sorry.

Neil

 

[Joe_Atari]

Sickbay, Act 1:

MCCOY: That incredible Vulcan physique hung on until the life-support cycle took over. His body lives. The autonomic functions continue. But there is no mind.
CUE STARTS
KIRK: That girl.
SCOTT: Aye.
MCCOY: What girl?
KIRK: From that ship. She took it.
CUE FADES
KIRK: I don't know why, or where, but she must have taken it.

Oh yeah! Wow, I had no idea that wasn't there. Very memorable piece; it will be nice to have it on the new set! There's some very memorable music missing (and likely lost) from the otherwise excellent Battlestar Galactica TOS score CDs that we'll probably never get. Even if it did eventually turn up in someone's basement or on eBay, I have no problem buying a "pickup" disc of stuff that surfaces later; it happens.

Another completionist "nice to have" would be the "Spock's Brain" teaser music as actually heard in the episode, incorporating portions of "The Enterprise Incident" score. I've always wondered what scenes/shots Fred Steiner was scoring to with the original track as heard on the box set. A great piece, it plays much like a suite, running much longer than the scene from the actual episode, which itself was composed of much stock footage of bridge crew reactions, Sulu's viewer raising, etc. Is there any documentation of an earlier assembly of this scene that Steiner might have been using?

 

[Indysolo]

I suspect Steiner's opening music to "Spock's Brain" wasn't used because there is distortion present in the original recording, not because of a re-edit. The cue as heard on the CD matches the show and even the segue into "Meet Kara" represents what would have been heard had "Alien Ship" been used.

Neil