Who is going to win this election in November?

[indycar]

What's your point? Because I'm not getting it. Taking your first example, are you telling me that a man that ignored existing laws against choking people, and assaulting minors in general, would only be stopped if there was yet a 3rd law saying he wasn't allowed in the bathroom? The misdemeanor on water closets will fix the problem two or more felony laws couldn't?

Because that's...let me put it this way, if you're not embarrassed, I'll be embarrassed for you.

My point is that the law needs to be modified to not allow any man from going into a women's restroom because they say that they identify as a woman at that particular moment.

Also, I am not embarrassed by what I said and I don't need you telling me that I should. If that's how you handle somebody with an opposing view, then shame on you. I treat people with opposing views to me with respect and I expect the same in return.

 

[indycar]

First, why? We are all human beings? Those that can't control themselves will be problematic regardless of the law. There are links everywhere (some I've quoted in other threads) that not even law enforcement thinks of this as an issue. Colorado has had laws on the books since 2006 that allow people to use the restroom of the gender they associate with, without a single issue.

It is fear of someone different without evidence to back it up.

The issue is that a man can go into a women's restroom at that particular moment, because they claim to be a "woman" at that particular moment. How do you think the women in there feel? Do they now have less rights?

 

[indycar]

Just as it allows a woman to go into a man's restroom. But lets overlook the fact that woman's restrooms only have cubicles so there is a degree of privac, yet men's restooms have a mix of urnials and cubicles so slightly less privacy.

I never denied the design of a men and women's restroom. I don't see what this has to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[indycar]

Please we have laws against murdering someone, perhaps we should midfy that one as well as some violate that law.

The issue is that a man can go into a women's restroom at that particular moment, because they claim to be a "woman" at that particular moment. How do you think the women in there feel? Do they now have less rights?

 

[BillJ]

The issue is that a man can go into a women's restroom at that particular moment, because they claim to be a "woman" at that particular moment. How do you think the women in there feel? Do they now have less rights?

Care to show me where single sex public restroom access is a "right", then we'll talk.

 

[indycar]

Care to show me where single sex public restroom access is a "right", then we'll talk.

Those women have the right to privacy. Yet you're saying that you're fine with a man walking in there, claiming to be a woman at that moment. You don't think that that could make most women uneasy.

 

[Nyotarules]

To the people who voted for Trump. If all the illegal immigrants are deported. Let us know how you get on finding that nanny, maid and the carer who will wipe your butt when you get old. We await your reports. Because we all know your fellow Americans are just desperate to take their place.

 

[MacLeod]

Those women have the right to privacy. Yet you're saying that you're fine with a man walking in there, claiming to be a woman at that moment. You don't think that that could make most women uneasy.

And does the transgender person not also have rights, by forcing them to go into a resttoom opposite to the gender they idendifiy with are you not also violating their rights?

 

[Nyotarules]

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken

 

[BillJ]

Those women have the right to privacy. Yet you're saying that you're fine with a man walking in there, claiming to be a woman at that moment. You don't think that that could make most women uneasy.

It makes me uneasy when another dude walks into the restroom while I'm dropping a deuce. Maybe I should have a special right that no one else can go to the restroom when I'm going?

It is beyond silly that this is even an issue. What it comes down to is that no murderer/rapist is going to be stopped by a little plastic placard or the law, if he/she plans to go in and harm someone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-9-public-restroom-hangs-death-row-cell.html

 

[indycar]

And does the transgender person not also have rights, by forcing them to go into a resttoom opposite to the gender they idendifiy with are you not also violating their rights?

I never said that a transgender person has no rights, I said that the law needs to be modified to prevent just anybody from using those restrooms.

 

[indycar]

1. It makes me uneasy when another dude walks into the restroom while I'm dropping a deuce. Maybe I should have a special right that no one else can go to the restroom when I'm going?

2. It is beyond silly that this is even an issue. What it comes down to is that no murderer/rapist is going to be stopped by a little plastic placard or the law, if he/she plans to go in and harm someone.

3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-9-public-restroom-hangs-death-row-cell.html

1. That man has the right to be in there.
2. I don't think that it's silly, a woman could feel violated if man who identifies as a woman is in there. I think that's very important.
3. That's a tabloid article.

 

[BillJ]

3. That's a tabloid article.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/16/boy.killed.02/

http://www.10news.com/news/man-who-killed-boy-in-oceanside-restroom-dies-in-prison

People maybe need to grow up. Gender is a fluid concept, as we are clearly learning. Those that can't adapt, should shit at home, or in their pants.

 

[Pingfah]

I get the feeling a lot of people are already doing that.

 

[indycar]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/16/boy.killed.02/

http://www.10news.com/news/man-who-killed-boy-in-oceanside-restroom-dies-in-prison

People maybe need to grow up. Gender is a fluid concept, as we are clearly learning. Those that can't adapt, should shit at home, or in their pants.

So you're telling me that murderers were caught by the police, I can support that.

 

[BillJ]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

State Law Has Prohibited Discrimination In Public Accommodations Since 1993. In 1993, Minnesota amended its Human Rights Act to prohibit discrimination against transgender people in public accommodations. [OutFront Minnesota, accessed 3/13/14]

Minneapolis Police Department: Fears About Sexual Assault "Not Even Remotely" A Problem. Minneapolis police spokesman John Elder told Media Matters in an interview that sexual assaults stemming from Minnesota's 1993 transgender non-discrimination law have been "not even remotely" a problem. Based on his experience, the notion of men posing as transgender women to enter women's restrooms to commit sex crimes "sounds a little silly," Elder said. According to Elder, a police department inquiry found "nothing" in the way of such crimes in the city. [Phone interview, 3/11/14]

 

[indycar]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

Those are various defenses of the law. They say that there have been no reported incidents that I refer to, as I would certainly hope. However, as I said earlier, these incidents have occurred (I posted articles to prove it) and something should be done to prevent it.

 

[indycar]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/03/20/15-experts-debunk-right-wing-transgender-bathro/198533

Also, I've done some research of your website and I would say that it seems biased in the favor of liberals, meaning it won't show both perspectives.

Since we can show websites with slanted views, I will put down the opposite view:
http://townhall.com/columnists/fran...-reasons-north-carolina-got-it-right-n2141010

 

[BillJ]

I remember reading (a bit before my time), about the need for separate bathrooms and water fountains for people of color. The reasoning being that it would make white people "uncomfortable".

People need to grow up. Safety and comfort are an illusion in human life. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, and that thought makes me "uncomfortable" (and I'm sure others). But the idea of banning them is beyond silly.

 

[Nyotarules]

http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/16/boy.killed.02/

http://www.10news.com/news/man-who-killed-boy-in-oceanside-restroom-dies-in-prison

People maybe need to grow up. Gender is a fluid concept, as we are clearly learning. Those that can't adapt, should shit at home, or in their pants.

How can gender be fluid? If one is born male or female that is a historical fact even if one does not identify as such mentally in later life. There are black people who hate the darkness/melanin content of their skin should they be encouraged to do so? What is the difference? Is ethnicity/race fluid as well? I do not understand.