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What did you think of the crossover with Planet of the Apes? I thought the way it was approached worked well enough, and there wasn't a clash of physical laws.

It was entertaining, but I can't accept it as a "real" event in the Trek continuity. Classic Planet of the Apes is just too fanciful. There's no way a few thousand years of evolution could produce such humanlike great apes, not to mention that it got all three ape species' psychology backward (chimpanzees as pacifists when they're actually the most warlike, gorillas as warrior thugs when they're the most placid unless provoked, orangs as the social and political leaders when they're the least social great apes). Also, how the heck were they speaking 20th-century English? Not to mention that the movie series's continuity is a mess, with virtually every film having to retcon something about the previous film(s) in order to work. Originally Taylor's crew just lived 2000 years in cryogenic stasis, but then it was retconned into a time warp, and then the world was destroyed, but then we found that the apes were somehow able to launch a space capsule with no launch stages or gantry or rocket fuel or industrial infrastructure to create them, and then we were told the cats and dogs had died out and the apes had gradually been domesticated over centuries, and then that whole process was retconned to happen in just 20-odd years, etc. The films don't even fit together with each other, let alone with another universe.

Plus, the comic tries to fit into the chronology of the movies, but it kind of glosses over the events of the second movie as if they only happened in the course of a few days. Which was a confusing, rushed, and anticlimactic ending. (And they missed an opportunity to explain how the space capsule could've been relaunched. They could've had the Enterprise crew help Cornelius, Zira, and Milo escape the Earth.)
 
You sure know to make this stuff fun.

As I said, I have no trouble seeing the crossovers as fun imaginary stories. Just don't ask me to believe they "really" happened, because I have higher standards for "Part of my personal continuity" than I do for "An entertaining read."
 
And in The Wounded Sky, Uhura and Lt. Freeman were upconverting old Doctor Who episodes to holovid. (Or maybe creating their own Fourth Doctor fanvids, because the scene depicted in the novel doesn't exist in the real series.)
And also in Spock's World, where we get Enterprise crew members watching these same classic Fourth Doctor episode-upconverts on the Rec Deck at one point in the story.

It was entertaining, but I can't accept it as a "real" event in the Trek continuity. Classic Planet of the Apes is just too fanciful. There's no way a few thousand years of evolution could produce such humanlike great apes, not to mention that it got all three ape species' psychology backward (chimpanzees as pacifists when they're actually the most warlike, gorillas as warrior thugs when they're the most placid unless provoked, orangs as the social and political leaders when they're the least social great apes). Also, how the heck were they speaking 20th-century English? Not to mention that the movie series's continuity is a mess, with virtually every film having to retcon something about the previous film(s) in order to work. Originally Taylor's crew just lived 2000 years in cryogenic stasis, but then it was retconned into a time warp, and then the world was destroyed, but then we found that the apes were somehow able to launch a space capsule with no launch stages or gantry or rocket fuel or industrial infrastructure to create them, and then we were told the cats and dogs had died out and the apes had gradually been domesticated over centuries, and then that whole process was retconned to happen in just 20-odd years, etc. The films don't even fit together with each other, let alone with another universe.

Plus, the comic tries to fit into the chronology of the movies, but it kind of glosses over the events of the second movie as if they only happened in the course of a few days. Which was a confusing, rushed, and anticlimactic ending. (And they missed an opportunity to explain how the space capsule could've been relaunched. They could've had the Enterprise crew help Cornelius, Zira, and Milo escape the Earth.)
Probably the closest I've ever seen to an official chronological-breakdown of the second film is contained in the deluxe Blu-Ray boxed set gatefold, which features a 20th Century Fox studio-approved timeline which places Taylor's crashlanding in November 3954, Dr. Milo traveling out to the spaceship crashsite in the Forbidden Zone and raising/repairing it in December, Taylor's trial taking place one month later (in January 3955), and the events of Beneath the Planet of the Apes occurring in February 3955 (with Zira and Cornelius searching for Brent and Nova, encountering Dr. Milo, and taking off on a test-flight right before the bomb detonates).

As for the apes speaking 20th Century English, I'd always generally assumed that this was something that they learned from their former human masters, but was something that the orangutans gradually suppressed the truth about as the centuries passed, until no one alive even remembered the "true" reasons for it by the time period of the first movie. Granted, this doesn't really explain why the language remained mostly static and unchanged after two thousand years, but there's already a lot of handwavium going on in those movies, and this is just one more bit of that.
 
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It was entertaining, but I can't accept it as a "real" event in the Trek continuity.

Um, we write tie-in novels. Since when do we worry about whether a comic-book issue is a "real" event in the Star Trek continuity?

None of the books or comics are "real." As you've often pointed out, they're "historical fiction" at best. And, honestly, I doubt if anyone really loses sleep over whether a Trek/Apes crossover is actually realistic or believable or whatever . . ..

It's a lark. A fun thought-experiment and/or novelty item, like Archie meeting the Punisher. And I can't imagine that most readers would take it any more seriously than that.
 
Um, we write tie-in novels. Since when do we worry about whether a comic-book issue is a "real" event in the Star Trek continuity?

Hence the quotes. Counting a story as in-continuity as opposed to out of continuity is, of course, a matter of classification rather than a designation of worth or significance. But the classification is not meaningless. As someone who works within an ongoing continuity on two levels -- both the canon and the novelverse extrapolated from it -- I find it relevant to keep track of what stories I need/want to be consistent with, i.e. to treat as "real" from the perspective of a story within that overall continuity, and what stories I consider incompatible with that continuity and am thus free to contradict. And before that, just as a fan, I made distinctions between in-continuity and out-of-continuity as a matter of categorization, because I like to categorize and organize things, being a scientifically-minded sort. It's not a judgment of worth, just a way to keep track of how things relate to each other and interconnect, or not.


It's a lark. A fun thought-experiment and/or novelty item, like Archie meeting the Punisher. And I can't imagine that most readers would take it any more seriously than that.

Which is exactly my point. I was asked a question about whether I thought the Trek/Apes crossover was plausible, and I explained why I don't. These are just "imaginary stories" to me, not things to be seriously considered as part of the universe.
 
Somehow somewhere Detective John Munch has to make a Trek appearance.

He's been on everything else.:hugegrin:

I'd love to see Munch in Doctor Who. It doesn't even have to be anything meaningful. Just have Richard Belzer standing on the street. The TARDIS materializes. It then dematerializes. Thirty seconds, and we're done. :)

Years ago I tweeted that Belzer should appear on Copper as Munch's Civil War-era ancestor. Belzer actually liked that tweet. :)

Back to the topic at hand...

I've always wanted a Star Trek/Sherlock Holmes crossover.
 
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