Voyager, sorry.... what ? moments.
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i assumed it was on purpose to flush him out
How about Displaced.
A common trope in trek but this is one of the worst - Janeway and Tuvok escape their habitat and find a computer console.
Despite being in an alien language they cant read and using an interface/operating system they have no clue how to use Tuvok bypasses the security protocol's in 2 seconds then Janeway accesses the voyager database to tap into the translation matrix also in 2 seconds and voila she now has more control of the alien computer from this random console than the aliens that made it and use it every day.
In universe - that would be like a Kazon trapped in a Voyager cargo bay using a control panel to usurp bridge control and take over the ship in less than 10 seconds.
Was a silly episode all around. Many (most?) races would simply kill the aliens on board once too many swaps occured, leaving 1 alien alone on the ship when the final crew member is swapped. That alien would probably die once the ships system begin to fail from lack of maintenence unless they could be rescued - assuming the last man standing didn't set the self destruct or some other trap for the final alien.
Also why expend so many resources keeping the crews alive in a holodeck, you're stealing their ship and imprisoning them for life - might aswell just kill them.
A common trope in trek but this is one of the worst - Janeway and Tuvok escape their habitat and find a computer console.
Despite being in an alien language they cant read and using an interface/operating system they have no clue how to use Tuvok bypasses the security protocol's in 2 seconds then Janeway accesses the voyager database to tap into the translation matrix also in 2 seconds and voila she now has more control of the alien computer from this random console than the aliens that made it and use it every day.
In universe - that would be like a Kazon trapped in a Voyager cargo bay using a control panel to usurp bridge control and take over the ship in less than 10 seconds.
Was a silly episode all around. Many (most?) races would simply kill the aliens on board once too many swaps occured, leaving 1 alien alone on the ship when the final crew member is swapped. That alien would probably die once the ships system begin to fail from lack of maintenence unless they could be rescued - assuming the last man standing didn't set the self destruct or some other trap for the final alien.
Also why expend so many resources keeping the crews alive in a holodeck, you're stealing their ship and imprisoning them for life - might aswell just kill them.
it just seems more absurd watching that play out but really it happens all the time. those take over aliens had no probs taking voyager without a manual either. The kazon did. Do you really think they spent all their months reading English before stealing Voyager? Nahhhh. They[the crew] also offer their consoles over for Aliens to access and you don't see a translation in progress. etc.
Exactly, its an extreme plot device for convenience.
In reality it would take months or years to learn how to operate an alien ship. First you would need to learn the written language, then the operating system, then the programming language its written in, after that you might be able to start running the ship.
Even something you might think is universal like the warp drive has in lore comments and exposition showing that no, while the basic principle of a warp engine will be the same on any ship - how its built, run, maintained, operated and programmed can be radically different from species to species.
This is why I dislike the Kazon, Klingons etc. The Kazon are literally cavemen in spaceships. All they care about and do is fight and train to fight.
Did Mage Kullah and the rest of his Nistrom warriors spend 10+ years going through school learning about advanced physics, chemistry, astronomy, warp theory, mathematics, electrical engineering etc.
No? then how do people with an at best highschool level education operate a star ship and space empire?.
Stop, this actually makes an incredible amount of sense.
If Seska was planing to take control of Voyager from the time she first went over to the Kazon, training up a select group of Kazons to operate Voyagers system and understand English would be something I could easily see Seska doing.
Bad analogy. The Kazon probably doesn't have an academy where they learn about how to access alien technology. It would be commonplace in Starfleet as Starfleet crews encounters alien ships, stations and other technology regularly. We've seen this many times.
Yeah, in Displaced, it had occurred quickly. However, it makes sense that Starfleet Cadets get training on how to encounter unknown technology.
That's what I always assumed. Seska taught them what they needed to know.
It also strains credibility that the people who abducted them (can't recall their species name if they mentioned it) could operate Voyager so easily. But didn't similar things happen on the other Treks, once in a while.
Not really. Folks with centuries of deep space exploration and contact with many alien species probably have developed ways to tap into alien technology as a necessity. Also, it's likely the Nyrians already learned about them- this episode was before any of their big jumps...enough to tap into their computers by using information from other races Voyager already encountered.
They had to have already known at least something about Voyager to have the habitat ready for them.
I assumed she was doing this. She wanted Voyager so she was training the Kazon on how to operate her.
It already existed, for that race who was killed by a virus or something
It is possible that space existed but with a different environment since it is basically a holodeck. But they would have to know enough about Voyager to know to put them in that habitat and lot that frozen one.
Noted. I just don't give the Kazon that much credit. But you're likely correct. I see them as idiots in the sky. I know it has blinded me to that.
I've said it before, but ...
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Threshold... forget about the salamanders... why, oh why do you let your pilot, no matter how much he implores you, test-fly this new warp 10+shuttle without running a single unmanned test. You go straight from "Yay! I didn't crash and burn on the holodeck this time!" to "OK, go get'em Chuck Yeager!"
I would think you'd have more regard for the safety of your people than that under normal circumstances, let alone the fact that you are 70k light years from home and Starfleet can't send you a replacement pilot.
It's not that they have a whole lot of time to spend on it, because they have to get on with the story, but even a throw-away line that they've run and passed unmanned tests would've been nice.
::: steps off my soap box :::
::: steps up on my soap box :::
Threshold... forget about the salamanders... why, oh why do you let your pilot, no matter how much he implores you, test-fly this new warp 10+shuttle without running a single unmanned test. You go straight from "Yay! I didn't crash and burn on the holodeck this time!" to "OK, go get'em Chuck Yeager!"
I would think you'd have more regard for the safety of your people than that under normal circumstances, let alone the fact that you are 70k light years from home and Starfleet can't send you a replacement pilot.
It's not that they have a whole lot of time to spend on it, because they have to get on with the story, but even a throw-away line that they've run and passed unmanned tests would've been nice.
::: steps off my soap box :::
"Fury" and "Relativity" where it's retconned that Janeway always knew Key would go crazy, and adopt a Borg in the Delta Quadrant.
Why Relativity?
I kind of have this thought any time Janeway or B'Elanna go on an away mission. Can you afford to loose your captain and/or chief engineer?
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