Jennifer Lien status

[Guy Gardener]

^ Survival is the goal of any species. The ones
that don't find their sexual partner desirable will not procreate much.

Civilization trumps evolution.

Social welfare defeats natural selection.

Wealth is more desirable than strength.

Hell, even a sense of humour is more important than strength.

Our priorities are wrong, so our babies will be weak.

The species falters.

Meh.

 

[Markonian]

^ The Weak Shall Perish.

 

[Sophie74656]

I can't help but wonder how the show would have turned out if Harry Kim was written off and Kes remained.

Indeed, Garrett Wang was supposed to be the one fired, not Jennifer Lien. The execs changed their minds when he was named one of People's 50 Hottest Actors in 1997.

Year of Hell was supposed to be the season 3 cliffhanger, leading into an arc in season 4. This is why there was a fair amount of Kes development leading up to the season finale. She was supposed to take on a larger role. Indeed, she was supposed to be the one guiding and nurturing Seven's humanity along with Janeway, as well as continue as the Doctor's assistant (which Tom Paris wound up doing).

Garrett Wang was disliked by the execs because he was considered lazy. Late for meetings, rehearsals, filming. Plus, he was a weak actor.

Everyone's contract - except Mulgrew's - was done at the end of season 3.

They had already signed Jeri Ryan, and the execs didn't want the cast to grow to 10 members, so someone had to go..., what didn't stop producers to hire 4 young actors from s6, who served to nothing, except the one who played Icheb, who was kept until the end of the series.

There's some mystery behind why Lien herself was fired. Rumor has it she developed an allergy to the glue used for her ears, which is why she changed hair styles. There are some other rumors, as well, such as drug use on her part and her rebuking the advances of a guest star somehow related to one of the execs. No one knows for sure.

There's no mystery as to why she was "fired". According to her own words she had a three year contract and it was up, they simply did not renew it. There is no conspiracy, no ill will, nothing horrible that happened. An actress in Hollywood did not have her contract renewed, happens all the time. She was ok with it and moved on.

 

[Sophie74656]

If they had fired Jennifer for a medical reason, she could have sued Star Trek, and bought that empire to its knees. I never thought anything of the allergy explanation for getting rid of that ####ing awful wig.

I'm glad they got rid of that wig, it looked quite bad in my opinion. Like a Ken doll. The long wig was so much better. But Trek has never been good with female hair.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

I'm glad they got rid of that wig, it looked quite bad in my opinion. Like a Ken doll. The long wig was so much better. But Trek has never been good with female hair.

You're right, although for Kathryn Janeway, they rather managed well, certain hairstyles fitting better to her that others.
I fear the worst with the next heroin of ST: Discovery. Let's hope that they will pay less attention on her hairstyle and will concentrate on her personal history, this time.

 

[Lynx]

There's no mystery as to why she was "fired". According to her own words she had a three year contract and it was up, they simply did not renew it. There is no conspiracy, no ill will, nothing horrible that happened. An actress in Hollywood did not have her contract renewed, happens all the time. She was ok with it and moved on.

Everyone except Mulgrew had a three year contract.
When one of those are suddenly singled out and is the only one who's not having the contract renewed, I consider it a rude act against an actress who had done a terrific job for three years.

She must definitely have had some skills because she was offered a role in "American History X", a higly rewarded movie. None of the others have never been close to something like that.

If she "was OK" with being kicked out, it took many years before she admitted that. She was totally silent about this for three-four years until she started come up with inlearned replies at conventions until she finally revealed that she had been fired when asked about it. I don't think she was OK with it.

I'm glad they got rid of that wig, it looked quite bad in my opinion. Like a Ken doll. The long wig was so much better. But Trek has never been good with female hair.

I think she looked great in that hairstyle. It was asort of trademark for the character. With the long hair she was more like any random female Starfleet character.

And Kes's short hairstyle was definitely better that what the other female characters had. B'Elanna looked like a tulip, Seven would have looked better in Jeri Ryan's normal hairstyle and Janeway's different hairstyles were a bit weird too.

 

[Sophie74656]

Everyone except Mulgrew had a three year contract.
When one of those are suddenly singled out and is the only one who's not having the contract renewed, I consider it a rude act against an actress who had done a terrific job for three years.

She must definitely have had some skills because she was offered a role in "American History X", a higly rewarded movie. None of the others have never been close to something like that.

If she "was OK" with being kicked out, it took many years before she admitted that. She was totally silent about this for three-four years until she started come up with inlearned replies at conventions until she finally revealed that she had been fired when asked about it. I don't think she was OK with it.



I think she looked great in that hairstyle. It was asort of trademark for the character. With the long hair she was more like any random female Starfleet character.

And Kes's short hairstyle was definitely better that what the other female characters had. B'Elanna looked like a tulip, Seven would have looked better in Jeri Ryan's normal hairstyle and Janeway's different hairstyles were a bit weird too.

why is it rude when that's standard practice in Hollywood? If you want to think she wasn't ok with it that's your business. Since I heard her say it in person that she was completely fine with the decision, that is what I will believe.

I'm personally not a fan of short hair on women. Some can pull it off but I think most don't look good with it. Just my opinion. I think Kes's wig looked like Ken doll hair, like a plastic helmet. But like I said before, most women in Star Trek have bad hair in my opinion

 

[Sophie74656]

You're right, although for Kathryn Janeway, they rather managed well, certain hairstyles fitting better to her that others.
I fear the worst with the next heroin of ST: Discovery. Let's hope that they will pay less attention on her hairstyle and will concentrate on her personal history, this time.

I think they found something good for her later in the show's run, when she had that shorter bob style.

 

[The Lonely Man]

Going back to the original premise of the thread, I was shocked when I saw the pictures of her and read about the charges against her.
I hope she gets herself sorted out and she can find happiness again. Best of luck to her.

 

[2takesfrakes]

In her day, Jennifer Lien was a very beautiful, exciting and worthy woman. She's deserving of our support and it's gratifying that she's receiving the best of care.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Worthy?

How much Wayne's Wolrd did you watch as a boy?

http://www.roanecounty.com/content/‘star-trek’-star-check

Hmmm.

Did i miss an update? I had assumed that she had been sitting in County for a year because no one wanted to pay the poor lady's lofty bail.

It's difficult to get a DUI when you are incarcerated.

 

[2takesfrakes]

 

[KelisThePoet]

Everyone except Mulgrew had a three year contract.
When one of those are suddenly singled out and is the only one who's not having the contract renewed, I consider it a rude act against an actress who had done a terrific job for three years.

She must definitely have had some skills because she was offered a role in "American History X", a higly rewarded movie. None of the others have never been close to something like that.

Those things are subjective. Just because you think she did a terrific job for three years does not make it a self-evident fact. The fact that someone else offered her a role is again not objective proof of her skills but again evidence of the subjective perception of whoever offered her that role. Moreover, she might have been the best pragmatic choice for a certain role regardless of any immeasurable, objective acting skills. Similarly, the fact that she lost her Voyager job isn't evidence that the people running that show thought she had no skills as an actress but that they weren't interested in continuing to write stories for her character on their show.

Bottom line: Acting is both an art form and a business. Television creators have a right to make both creative and financial decisions. No actor is owed a particular role or its continuation.

 

[Triskelion]

Or, they needed to make room in the budget for a easier new character to "write for", which could also be a euphamism for "screw fraculated".

Me, I've always had trouble writing for people who are 5'8". I mean, an inch in either direction, I can write gold; but 5'8", it all comes out like a cat licking itself on a broken keyboard. Because THAT'S HOW WRITING WORKS. Nothing at all sexual about Hollywood. It's all about the Art.

In the end, they probably weighed the return on ratings investment for character-featured episodes, and Kes came in at the bottom of the totem pole. It's not like acting could save her from what they didn't write.

 

[Lynx]

Those things are subjective. Just because you think she did a terrific job for three years does not make it a self-evident fact. The fact that someone else offered her a role is again not objective proof of her skills but again evidence of the subjective perception of whoever offered her that role. Moreover, she might have been the best pragmatic choice for a certain role regardless of any immeasurable, objective acting skills. Similarly, the fact that she lost her Voyager job isn't evidence that the people running that show thought she had no skills as an actress but that they weren't interested in continuing to write stories for her character on their show.

Bottom line: Acting is both an art form and a business. Television creators have a right to make both creative and financial decisions. No actor is owed a particular role or its continuation.

Well, in that case I, as a viewer and potential buyer of DVD:s who have helped Berman, Braga and the others earn a fortune have all right to criticize their decisions and most of all they way the actress and her character was treated which in my opinion was very rude, stupid and unnecessary.

 

[Lynx]

why is it rude when that's standard practice in Hollywood? If you want to think she wasn't ok with it that's your business. Since I heard her say it in person that she was completely fine with the decision, that is what I will believe.

I'm personally not a fan of short hair on women. Some can pull it off but I think most don't look good with it. Just my opinion. I think Kes's wig looked like Ken doll hair, like a plastic helmet. But like I said before, most women in Star Trek have bad hair in my opinion

In most cases I prefer women with long hair.
Kes and Ezri Dax were two exceptions. Both were stunning in their hairdos.
Mostly I go for a cobination of personality and looks. Kes was perfect when it comes to that.

 

[Lynx]

Going back to the original premise of the thread, I was shocked when I saw the pictures of her and read about the charges against her.
I hope she gets herself sorted out and she can find happiness again. Best of luck to her.

Me too! "Shocked" was an understatement in my case.

I really hope that she can get her life back together and that she get the help she need for that.

2takesfrakes wrote:

In her day, Jennifer Lien was a very beautiful, exciting and worthy woman. She's deserving of our support and it's gratifying that she's receiving the best of care.

In this I totally agree.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I knew that post would be a crowd-pleaser! By Golly .... I just knew it.

 

[Sophie74656]

In most cases I prefer women with long hair.
Kes and Ezri Dax were two exceptions. Both were stunning in their hairdos.
Mostly I go for a cobination of personality and looks. Kes was perfect when it comes to that.

I do agree about Ezri. I think she is one of the few people I've seen that pulled off the short hair, it was adorable on her. I saw the actress two months ago at a convention and she has long hair and that also looks great on her

 

[Sophie74656]

Or, they needed to make room in the budget for a easier new character to "write for", which could also be a euphamism for "screw fraculated".

Me, I've always had trouble writing for people who are 5'8'. I mean, an inch in either direction, I can write gold; but 5'8", it all comes out like a cat licking itself on a broken keyboard. Because THAT'S HOW WRITING WORKS. Nothing at all sexual about Hollywood. It's all about the Art.

In the end, they probably weighed the return on ratings investment for character-featured episodes, and Kes came in at the bottom of the totem pole. It's not like acting could save her from what they didn't write.

or perhaps they would have written more if the acting was better