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Spoilers Luke Cage - Netflix (Season 1)

kirk55555 said:
But even if they clear him of the crimes he was originally put in prison for, its still a crime to escape from prison, even if he was an innocent man going in.
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Illegal experiments conducted on him and attempted murder by a prison guard might be counted as extenuating circumstances there. As would probably time served for a crime he didn't commit.

Also, DD Season 2 kinda already showed that MCU legal system is not entirely realistic ;)
 
reverse dodge said:
Illegal experiments conducted on him and attempted murder by a prison guard might be counted as extenuating circumstances there. As would probably time served for a crime he didn't commit.

Also, DD Season 2 kinda already showed that MCU legal system is not entirely realistic ;)
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I didn't go past the first few episodes of DD Season 2, so I don't get the reference. But I suppose the experiments, corrupt guards having a fight club and trying to kill him combined with time served might get him out of prison, at least in the MCU.
 
kirk55555 said:
I didn't go past the first few episodes of DD Season 2, so I don't get the reference.
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Basically,
Punisher gets arrested, put on trial, sentenced and jailed within days.
And that's not even going into the minutiae, like Karen being there even though she's not a lawyer, witnesses going on stand without being deposed, lawyers doing monologues instead of asking questions and so on...
 
reverse dodge said:
Basically,
Punisher gets arrested, put on trial, sentenced and jailed within days.
And that's not even going into the minutiae, like Karen being there even though she's not a lawyer, witnesses going on stand without being deposed, lawyers doing monologues instead of asking questions and so on...
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The legal system sounds very interesting in the MCU :lol: With that info, maybe its not too far fetched to think Luke would be back out quickly.
 
reverse dodge said:
Illegal experiments conducted on him and attempted murder by a prison guard might be counted as extenuating circumstances there. As would probably time served for a crime he didn't commit.
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I don't disagree in theory, but I think he'd have a job proving the first two points and I doubt the correctional system will exactly bend over backwards to help exonerate a person that escaped their custody. Even less so if it exposes their own corruption and illegal activities.

I think it's safe to say he'll be incarcerated until the plot dictates he gets out (one way or another) for 'The Defenders'.

reverse dodge said:
Basically,
Punisher gets arrested, put on trial, sentenced and jailed within days.
And that's not even going into the minutiae, like Karen being there even though she's not a lawyer, witnesses going on stand without being deposed, lawyers doing monologues instead of asking questions and so on...
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I just recently rewatched the show and I'm pretty sure it's more on the order of weeks and months. It's easy to miss but there are some time-jumps in there. Not to say that the time-frame for such a high profile and complex case isn't massively compressed, but not quite to that extent.
 
Reverend said:
I don't disagree in theory, but I think he'd have a job proving the first two points and I doubt the correctional system will exactly bend over backwards to help exonerate a person that escaped their custody. Even less so if it exposes their own corruption and illegal activities.

I think it's safe to say he'll be incarcerated until the plot dictates he gets out (one way or another) for 'The Defenders'.
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Well, the last part is obviously true as that's just how tv works. As for proving what was done to him - there's probably already proof in that folder. And if not, somebody (Claire?) still has that usb drive with Reva's logs on it.

Plus, even if the correctional system won't bend over backwards to help him, that doesn't mean no one will. In addition to his friends, he's also a public hero to the people of Haarlem, and potentially to a lot more people outside it, too. And he has the direct gratitude of the NYPD for bringing in Diamondback.
 
Reverend said:
Even less so if it exposes their own corruption and illegal activities.
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Wouldn't that make them more inclined to just let him go though?
Luke has built a reputation for himself on the outside, and if they incarcerate him again they'd have to deal with his supporters and human rights activists making a big stink in the media, ultimately bringing a lot more attention to those issues.
 
reverse dodge said:
Wouldn't that make them more inclined to just let him go though?
Luke has built a reputation for himself on the outside, and if they incarcerate him again they'd have to deal with his supporters and human rights activists making a big stink in the media, ultimately bringing a lot more attention to those issues.
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They can't "just let him go", they don't have that kind of authority. It would require a pardon or similar and popular support alone doesn't make them magically appear. It also sets a dangerous precedent, both in the "letting people go because they have a fan club" and the "letting convicting felons get away with escaping" departments.
 
If only there was a benevolent secret organization, that is interested in recruiting powered people, that is influential to the very top of the government, that could get him out asap.
 
Reverend said:
They can't "just let him go", they don't have that kind of authority. It would require a pardon or similar and popular support alone doesn't make them magically appear. It also sets a dangerous precedent, both in the "letting people go because they have a fan club" and the "letting convicting felons get away with escaping" departments.
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I don't mean "let him go" in that they wouldn't even put him on trial or find him innocent, but that there's more than enough extenuating circumstances to justify reaching some sort of settlement, he admits guilt on charges of prison escape(which he probably would anyway) and gets sentenced to the minimum legally required time, with his previous time served for a crime he didn't commit counting towards it.
If the verdict's actually guilty and he's sentenced, there's no legal precedent being set there even if he is effectively released immediately.
 
Timelord Victorious said:
If only there was a benevolent secret organization, that is interested in recruiting powered people, that is influential to the very top of the government, that could get him out asap.
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Just me speculating, but I get the feeling Luke would tell Coulson and Mac to take a hike as I don't think he'd want to be beholden to SHIELD. Most likely he wants to clear his name for good, not strike some plea bargain.

reverse dodge said:
I don't mean "let him go" in that they wouldn't even put him on trial or find him innocent, but that there's more than enough extenuating circumstances to justify reaching some sort of settlement, he admits guilt on charges of prison escape(which he probably would anyway) and gets sentenced to the minimum legally required time, with his previous time served for a crime he didn't commit counting towards it.
If the verdict's actually guilty and he's sentenced, there's no legal precedent being set there even if he is effectively released immediately.
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True enough I suppose, though it's all academic really since we know he's going to be released (or escape again) as and when it's the most dramatically convenient. ;)
 
Reverend said:
Just me speculating, but I get the feeling Luke would tell Coulson and Mac to take a hike as I don't think he'd want to be beholden to SHIELD. Most likely he wants to clear his name for good, not strike some plea bargain.
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I was thinking more Secret Warriors than official SHIELD.
Coulson would probably be fine with him helping them out once and no strings attached.
 
Timelord Victorious said:
I was thinking more Secret Warriors than official SHIELD.
Coulson would probably be fine with him helping them out once and no strings attached.
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Either way, the point is I don't think Luke would go for it. He's a reluctant hero and not the sort to go joining super-teams...at least not until 'Defenders'. ;)

Besides, despite what was built up, 'Secret Warriors' was never really a thing. Unless you count that one mission where it all went to hell, one team member died and the team leader ran off to become a goth vigilante.
 
So I haven't finished this yet, I'm in the ep where Diamondback shoots Luke into a garbage truck. Just have to say Diamondback has to be one of the greatest media villains of all time. Holy cow. I saw Erik LaRay Harvey in Boardwalk Empire but he didn't do anything like this. Have to backtrack him on IMDB.

Up to this point I'd been thinking how great Theo Rossi's villain is, he was awesome as the conflicted Juice in Sons of Anarchy and here he has quite a different character to play. And he is really outstanding here. But ELH is Patrick Stewart level.
 
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Terrible. Same boring old crap. Couldnt get past the first episode. When will this superhero thing end?
 
Vandervecken said:
Up to this point I'd been thinking how great Theo Rossi's villain is, he was awesome as the conflicted Juice in Sons of Anarchy and here he has quite a different character to play. And he is really outstanding here. But ELH is Patrick Stewart level.
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He is awesome! (I too thought Juice was one of the best things about SoA) And it's great to have a sane, intelligent villain for a change instead of some rage driven, monologue spouting nutjob.
 
The first half was fantastic. Absolutely the best Marvel series at that point. Excellent.

The second half was god awful.

When good superhero fiction goes wrong, it usually has the same culprit everytime: trite cliche superhero tropes. The best superhero/comic stuff is the stuff that tells a great story that happens to have one or more superpowered people in it. Luke Cage did that very well at first. Then, like so many other superhero flicks, it realized it didn't have enough corny funnybook crap in it, so it went and made the hero/villain have to have some stupid, trite origin that ties together.

Making Luke Cage and Diamondback brothers is one of the lamest moves and it dragged the entire show down with it. Cottonmouth was a fantastic, layered villain with organic connections to Luke. Diamondback was an embarrassing, moustache-twirling caricature.

They need to scrap the 13 episode format if it doesn't suit the story. How is it that media has managed to escape the restrictions of of network (and even cable TV) yet handcuffs itself to a format by choice? Ugh. Stop with the superhero slugfests just to satisfy the quota. It's boring and unnecessary. That goofy suit he had at the end didn't even bother to make the flimsiest amount of sense. It was just there for a punch-fest.People will still watch if you don't the hero and villain punch the crap out of each other at the end.
 
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