It's been 6+ years. Now that everybody has had the chance to cool off, what do you really think about it?
Alice Eve's controversial underwear shot (STID)
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I don't think it was as bad as a lot of people made out. It was no worse than the type of thing that we've seen in multiple Bond movies down the years, I think it jarred more because people didn't expect to see it in a Trek movie rather than the strength of the content itself. Ultimately, it didn't really bother me all that much, but I can understand some people having a problem with it.
It's only been just over three years too.
It's only been just over three years too.
Is it 2019?
ID came out 3.5 years ago...not 6 years ago.
It didn't bother me then or now.
The only thing that bothered me about it was it was so random. The Uhuru underwear scene (and Kirk's) made sense within the context of the storyline. He's in her room, she doesn't know he's there, she changes clothes. This shot was just so...random. Maybe if it had a better context it wouldn't become such a 'thing.'
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Didn't care then, don't care now.
All the "uproar" made me kinda go
. Still does.
All the "uproar" made me kinda go
. Still does.
Also the fact she seemed to leave her body in display almost during the scene. If she was that bothered she would have covered up!
Didn't care for it. I don't care for any attempt to titillate the audience and the young male demographic in Star Trek. For the same reason I never cared for the fact that Seven of Nine was a sexy blonde in a skin tight outfit. I find such things degrading to women, which is not what Trek is about.
The way women are treated as consumable objects and eye candy in ST09 and STID is probably my least favorite thing about those movies. There's hardly a single major female character who we don't see in their underwear (I honestly don't remember one). It's unnecessarily trying to convince the audience that Star Trek is cool by ramping up its sexiness, but they did it in a vapid, sexist way. It just makes me roll my eyes. Marcus is a brilliant science officer and we do get to see some of that -- but not before we see her boobs. Star Trek ought to know better.
EDIT: And one of the many, many things I loved about Beyond is how it didn't fall into that treating women as eye candy trap.
EDIT: And one of the many, many things I loved about Beyond is how it didn't fall into that treating women as eye candy trap.
My issue isn't with whether or not it's explicit. My problem is the nature of that treatment of women -- as eye candy or things for the men (boys?) in the audience to gawk at. I'm a big defender of the Kelvin Timeline, but I could definitely do without that backwards approach to female characters. In fact, we did do without it in Beyond.
I agree with you about Beyond. My husband joked that it 'wasn't real Star Trek. Kirk didn't flirt with the alien woman!'
I like how they even made a point of it in the film. I didn't expect that, i half expected him to be trying it on with jayla before I saw the film. It was quite refreshing.
I don't know? She was changing into a flight suit, which made more sense than going to her quarters or beaming down in a mini-dress. Is it a choice I would've made or approved had I been in charge of the movie? I don't know?
I don't think any of that "hey, remember Kirk being a ladies man?" stuff is necessary. Quite frankly it's not even all that accurate to TOS -- it's just how people remember TOS. Pretty much every woman that Kirk had a relationship with in TOS, no matter how brief, was someone he genuinely cared about. I mean, he didn't even fool around with any "green women" as the old joke goes. There was an Orion dancer in "Wolf in the Fold" who he just observed, and then Marta in "Whom Gods Destroy" that Kirk didn't show any interest in. I really don't think Kirk deserves that reputation. Now, Riker on the other hand...
We didn't see her boobs. We saw her abs, for about 2 seconds.
"Missed it by 'this' much." -Maxwell Smart
Seriously, I've seen more gratuitous scenes in primetime TV.
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